GM+ Tailoring - Post Publish 21!

Since Publish 21 arrived many people have reported of gaining on items that they have 100% success chance of crafting (normal quality), so I am letting the old GM+ Tailoring thread (http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/uo/showflat.php?Cat=3&Board=uotailor&Number=3376662&p age=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&what2=postlist&fpart =) move along and starting a new one.

I have taken the liberty of copy-pasting this info/chart from this post (http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/uo/showthreaded.php?Cat=3&Board=uotailor&Number=46018 68&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&what2=postlist&s elv=&vwhich=) by kazua so please reply to this thread with relevant info regarding skill gain post publish 21.

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Gain limit with your skillcap and item crafted.
Left to right is your skillcap by using powerscrolls.
This chart shows theoretical limit, so obviously you can't go beyond your skillcap.

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100 105 110 115 120
091.3 093.8 096.3 098.8 101.3 Leather leggings 10 Hides
095.5 098.0 100.5 103.0 105.5 Leather tunic 12 Hides
099.6 102.1 104.6 107.1 109.6 Oil Cloth 1 Cloth
103.8 106.3 108.8 111.3 113.8 Studded gorget 6 Hides
107.9 110.4 112.9 115.4 117.9 Studded Bustier 8 Hides
107.9 110.4 112.9 115.4 117.9 Studded gloves 8 Hides
110.0 112.5 115.0 117.5 120.0 Bone Helmet 4 Hides+2 Bones
112.1 114.6 117.1 119.6 122.1 Studded Armor (Female) 10 Hides
112.1 114.6 117.1 119.6 122.1 Studded sleeves 10 Hides
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[imported_Kulgan]

Okay...I just read this chart and had to go to the link to the other post to understand it. If I've got this right, then my 111.x tailor, scrolled to 120 needs to do:

111.x --&gt; 113.8 Studded Gorget
113.9 --&gt; 117.9 Studded Bustier or Studded Gloves (any preference? If so, why?)
118.0 --&gt; 120.0 Studded Sleeves or Studded Female Armor (again, if you have an opinion, what is it and why?)

I see no reason why bone helmet should even be in the chart. Sure it only uses 4 hides, but 6 hides are cheaper than 2 bones, right? At least that's true on my shard (even with the new dynamic economy pricing).

I'm just thrilled to be back to making studded gorgets. No fails and less hides per piece made practicing! Yeah!

I got my GGS gain fairly quickly at 111.5 off of a few studded gorgets which confirms this as the new preferred training method for 120 scrolled tailors.

[Leanan Sidhe]

I have the same question...so my 103.7 tailor (ps 120) can make oil clothes til 109.6?
I have noticed that in filling bods (leathers mostly) that I have actually been getting more than .1 gains in a night, has anyone else noticed this too?

[imported_Milan]

I just got 5 gains from 109 to 109.5 in one hour making oil cloths!

Yes, you will be able to gain on crafting oil cloths all the way to 109.6.

[wolvie415]

This is great-very helpful. Now we just need something like this for smithing.

[™§hãÐôwWàlkër®]

I just gained .1 off a studded sleeve and I'm at 119.2 now. When I saw that, I went wtf! That's not supposed to happen. I came here straight away and saw this post and all I can say is WOOOOOHOOOOO. I had figured since I had used my +5 bonus for tailoring at 110, then got the 120, I was screwed into doing bone armor /php-bin/shared/images/icons/crying.gif But now that I saw this post, I can now enjoy getting that 120 /php-bin/shared/images/icons/biggrinking.gif

<center>Quick folks, hit that 120 mark before O$I realizes that they goofed /php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink2.gif </center>

[imported_Milan]

Boadicea,

Thank you for this info - I just made it to Elder tailor weeks quicker than I expected!

About smithing, take a look here (http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/uo/showthreaded.php?Cat=3&amp;Board=uotailor&amp;Number=46043 49&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=&amp;o=&amp;what2=postlist&amp;selv=&amp;vwhich= ), though I don't know if this has been confirmed yet.

[wolvie415]

I thought this is how the smithing chart might look, so I tried making plate gorgets (since I'm at 111 and scrolled to 115) but I ran out of iron after buring though only 800 ingots. I just got some more iron so I try it again today and see if it works.

[Rod_of_Europa]

hey guys, look i might sound really stupid but ive used oil cloths to 109.6 im currently at 109.8..(got them off GGS) and not gaining off studded gorgets, anyone got any ideas, hehe i have 50k leather waiting to be torn to peices!!

Cap is 120.0 :-)

[wolvie415]

It's normal to hit a wall around 110, so just keep making gorgets.

[Iorek]

I believe that the harder something is to do, the better your chance to gain doing it. This is of course offset by the chance of succeeding though, so it is generally best to make things around your skill level.

Once you have an equal chance of producing something though (ie. 100%), it makes sense to make the hardest object therefore. What I am planning is:

100.0 - 109.6 Oil cloths (cheap as chips so take as far as possible)
109.6 - 112.1 Studded Gloves/Bustier
112.1 - 116.2 Studded Sleeves
116.2 - 119.0 Studded leggings
119.9 - 120.0 Studded tunic

Of course, this is only what I think - i really hate gathering leather so have only got to 111 so far (approx 8k hides used doing this from 109.6). I'll let you know how I get on with the rest when i can find it in me to go massacre some cows.

Oh, this is all assuming a 120 skill cap.

[Iorek]

Lazy so not much leather gathered, will update as I get more

111.0 - 111.6 1.7k used making gloves.
111.6 - 112.4 2.5k
112.4 - 113.8 5.6k Started on sleeves
113.8 - 114.5 3.4k sleeves


Realized I was being ambiguous with leather consumption - I have been recycling everything I made. If you want to sell all the items you craft, you will need to double these figures.

[Satch1151]

Ok I followed the templet and I went from 109 to 120 with about 40k leather and 3 days thought it was going to take me forever this really helped.

THANKS!

[wolvie415]

Today I went from 115.0 to 118.8 by recycling 16k hides. Now my skill gain is stuck.

[Satch1151]

I ran into a wall I kinda switched to something else that was almost as hard I did tunics stud till I got a gain then went back to sleeves I did them all the way from 117.9 to 120.

[Rod_of_Europa]

Is it usual to literally not get any gains from gorgets if your capped at 120?
(as he types it he gets a gain) SODS LAW!!

I seem to hardly get any gains off gorgets, just wanted to ask if anyone else has the same problem?

Rod of Europa

[Satch1151]

I did not have much trouble but if I did I would just go to something harder till I got a gain then went back and away they went again. Worked for me. The one thing that is really starting to get me mad is the BODS BS! I thought Pub 21 was supposed to fix this? for the last week or more I have gotten no joking here norm cloth crap! thats it nothing else I pull 3 times a day to.

[tazzi523]

I did Legendary Tailoring. I was stuck at 118.5 and I didn't want to make bone armor... Uggg I didn't have enough bone collected, but I'm glad I put it off.
I hit 120 off of studded tunics, once in a while i hit a dry spot and made a few bone tunics, and then I would gain again.

Now I just have to get my smithy to 120.

Boadacia IMO this post is simply bogus. What since does it make to put up a chart that tells a person at 91 to make leather leggings when they should be making oil cloths?

Why does this post not do better telling people what to make when rather than what they might make when? Isn't that the answer to many people's question, "what do I make to get to XXX"?

I can never seem to get the BODs I need for a 120 scroll so I am no use for providing info to that point but I have some 115 scrolls and tailors to use them on. I am going to spend some time gathering better hard data for this thread from 100 to 115. Hopefully it will compliment the data provided by several posts about past 115 level gains.

Ahh, now the dreaded leather gathering I must do to make this possible. Here cow. Come get some.

[Howeser]

Thanks for all your help with this new chart I went from 111.2 to 120 in a little over 3 days using around 36k of leather,only used the items below and didnt hit any real slow spots just steady gains.I was really shocked at how good skill gains that I had, give it a try it does work,so now another Legendary Tailor on Europa !!

120
113.8 Studded gorget 6 Hides
117.9 Studded gloves 8 Hides
120.0 Studded sleeves 10 Hides

This thread is about GM+ tailoring (above GM tailoring). I looked at the old thread about GM+ tailoring and at all the posts about "I made a legendary tailor using no bones" and thought that this would be a greater help to alot of people gaining past GM than the old thread as we have just since publish 21 been allowed to gain from items that we have 100% chance in crafting, which never was the case before.

Also, this thread gives us all an opportunity to reply here about our findings regarding these changes, share information, and give other people advice, which then later on can be incorporated into the FAQ.

I have assumed that most people coming here to look for information regarding "How to GM tailoring" would take a look at the FAQs on top of the forum, but maybe I should edit the title of this thread?
As you point out yourself, this post doesn't say "you should make this at XX", so people looking here anyway for what to make at 91 would see that they besides leather leggings also have the choice of making oil cloths.

I think it would be great if you would post your findings about GM+ tailoring in a "make this at XX" style /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

[Antiformal]

Has anyone tried using this new chart to just get to 110? If so, how did it go? How many resources did you use? How long did it take? I am at about 99, scrolled to 110, so I guess I will try this new chart and keep track of how much and how long if no one else has yet.

[Nystul Lysander]

*shrugs*
Ive been trying it tonight with a cap of 120, at 99.6 tailoring I cant gain a thing, its beed 3 hours. Thats with oilcloths, but the chart says they should take me to about 109 or so..
Does this still work?

[Lemia]

I used oilcloths to get to 109.6, now I am on the studded gorgets, and I have just reached 110 (gained .4 in the past umm maybe hour). So it is working for me anyway.

[Le'a]

I'm at 110.6 (scolled to 120) and have been following the guide. Unfortunately I'm not really gaining very fast making Studded Gorgets. Ive used atleast 5k hides just to get .6 gains. Is that normal? At this rate I'll need about 100,000 hides just to go from 110 to 120.

My friend told me to just make Studded Tunics for quicker gains. I'll use more leather, but the gains will come quicker. What should I do?

[Lemia]

Hmm that doesn't sound right. I've been averaging about .1 every 350 hides approximately (note: I am recycling items). Not sure what to tell you :/

[Lady from Hell]

Well, I just recycled through about 2000+ pieces of leather, and not even a single gain yet.
I'm at 108.1, scrolled to 115.
Making studded gorgets.
Yes, I have skill points turned down to suck from.

I would try the oil cloths, but I just got about 40k leather from all the idocs (woohoo)...

Oh, wait... nm I just gained .1

But does this seem right to everyone else?
.1 through over 2000 leathers?

[khellek]

Currently I am at 117.9 . I should be making Studded sleeves right? I have been trying for the last few hours and its still stuck at 117.9. Seems like I hit a wall??

[Lorden]

I must admit, when I first looked at this guide, I thought it was way off base. But then what the F$^#, I gave it a shot. 520 oil cloths to go from 102.1 to 103.0. Can't go wrong getting those kinds of gains for such little cash.

Thanks Boadicea

[BeastMan]

So now that we dont have to use bones to get to legendary......what's gonna happen to the prices of bones? I would think that the market for em just fell out after publish 21. Am i off base on this premise?

It's a matter of information spreading. Not everyone trying to reach the legendary title knows bone armor is no longer a mush have requirement and so they will still pay premium prices for bone.

Also keep in mind that bones are a long tedious process to gather in large amounts and BODs still have to have them. Because of those two factors you can expect that bones will hold a good price for a long time to come.

[Turin Turambar]

(Copied from my "New Legendary Tailor on Hokuto" post.)

After getting my Smith, Melkor, to Legendary earlier in the week, I just succeeded in getting my Tailor, Finrod Felagund, to Legendary tonight. (^^)v

All in all it took a few days and around 40K of leather to get from 109.6 to 120.0. (For those who didn't know, 109.6 is the highest you can go with oil cloths when you are power scrolled to 120.)

Here are the notes I took while doing it.

I did my tailoring in batches of 1800 hides. 1600 went into my beetle, 200 into my recycle bag in my pack, which was empty except for a couple of hundred ingots, tinkering kit and lots of sewing kits which I periodically made more of. After using the first 200 hides, my pack could hold another 200, so I took 200 from the beetle and used them too. Now with my pack at 3/4 weight or so I recycled all of the things I made leaving me with 200 hides to start the process again.

Each line lists the new skill level I got to with that batch of 1800 hides, followed by the change in brackets, and where necessary a note on what I was making.

109.6 (start, making studded gorgets)
110.0 (+0.4)
110.7 (+0.7)
111.3 (+0.6)
111.9 (+0.6)
112.8 (+0.9)
113.6 (+0.8)
113.9 (+0.3; changed to studded bustiers; wasted some hides here)
114.0 (+0.1; still going slow and I was worried)
114.5 (+0.5; back on form)
114.9 (+0.4)
115.9 (+1.0; Wow!)
116.4 (+0.5)
116.9 (+0.5)
117.3 (+0.4)
117.7 (+0.4)
117.8 (+0.1; changed to studded sleeves)
118.0 (+0.1; ouch this is slow)
118.7 (+0.7; that's better
119.0 (+0.3)
119.4 (+0.4)
119.7 (+0.3)
119.8 (+0.1)
120.0 (+0.2; about 275 leather left unused of this last batch)

It was close towards the end - I ended up with only 2700 leather left in my stockpile. All in all it took me 23 batches of 1800, around about 41K of leather.

Seemed slower than smithing...

Great piece of information you have gathered there! Thanks for adding it to this thread /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

[Silverbird]

I can only agree .... best is to remove bone helmets from the chart. Since you cant recycle bone helmets its 4 hides + 6 bones vs 5 not-recycled leathers.

[Lakin]

bone is only good for those pesky bone lbod's now /php-bin/shared/images/icons/frown.gif

just started working my leg tailor scroll....100.7...all I can say is...if this still works...the 109.6 oil cloths thing....groovy...finally got a use for all that useless bod reward cloth /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

2000 bandages later...not a single gain....:-\......ya'll sure this oil cloth thing works?

[Badola Blazo]

I'm making bandages at this moment, currently at 108.8. Cheap and steady.

[Arauka]

I havent played in a while and came to the boards to see whats new. I saw the post about oil cloths up to 99.6 and it seemed to good to be true. But I'm at 98.7 and I'm gaining about .2 per 120 oil clothes. Its awsome, so much skill so cheap!!!

[Lag The Rezzed]

Almost at 110 but scrolled to 120.....


Have been making oil cloths religiously since reading this post. cloths have taken me from 100 to my presnet sub 110 skill rating.

Thank you Bodicea/*

Now if I only spent enough time playing I would have money or enough hides to get me to 120.

[cannibal corpse]

*loves pub 21*

Thanks for the link!

[jotate]

Tiny rant to begin. Just spent 6 hours working from 104.6 to 109.6 on oil cloths. Went and retrieved my BOD expecting the heightened skill to make it at least something decent. 15 normal quality normal leather leggings. ~shakes head~

Anyway, anyone have a definitive recommendation on what to make at this point? I know everyone basically has said studded gloves, but I just made 150 of them and got nothing. I'm poor and eating 600 leather for nothing makes me sad.

[stryder]

imagine my surprise... for over a month now, i've been blocked for non-payment (economic hard times - loss of job - full custody of my daughter)... i get enough money scratched up to restore my game and the first thing i wanna do is take my tailor to 120. so i come here looking for the best craft template for gains and VIOLA! y'all serve up the chart and i'm rockin'

TY TY TY!!

[Little_Digger]

I just worked Tailoring from 103 to 115 and I can assure you that having tried several different pieces the studded gloves work the best. Gains slow down in a couple spots but Gloves always came through for me.

[imported_Hanna]

The chart is dead on the money as far as oil cloths are concerned

[Elowan of Wind]

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[Avalonia]

Id eat a 105 (can get them for next to nothing) then just make oil cloths to 100 and stop there. It might not be faster but you would still never have to work leather in order to gm /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

Then what about from 116.1 to 120? /php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink.gif

[Sonreir]

Just checking, but is all this still true as of Pub 27?

I just went through 250 cloth at 102.1 (PSed to 110) without a single gain. It's not the waste of cloth that bugs me, but the time...

[Sonreir]

Nevermind. It still works. I just gained .3 in the last 50. Gains started after making around 350 oil cloths.

[demana]

Still works, here's my gain log post GM:

100.0 - 109.6 ~11.5k cloth (rough estimate)

1600 hides on beetle, 350 in backpack, with 10-15 store bought sewing kits per round. (Kits take 2 ingots to make = 18-20 gp. Store bought are 3 gp per. Exceptional kits aren't better enough on average to justify the ingots.)

Studded gorgets:
109.6 - 110.8 +1.2
110.8 - 111.7 +0.9
111.7 - 112.3 +0.6*
112.3 - 113.2 +0.9
113.2 - 113.5 +0.3*

Studded bustiers:
113.5 - 114.2 +0.7
114.2 - 114.7 +0.5*
114.7 - 115.4 +0.7
115.4 - 115.7 +0.3*
115.7 - 116.2 +0.5
116.2 - 116.7 +0.5
116.7 - 117.1 +0.4*
117.1 - 117.9 +0.8

Studded (female) armor:
117.9 - 118.1 +0.2*
118.1 - 119.0 +0.9
119.0 - 119.5 +0.5
119.5 - 119.8 +0.3
119.8 - 120.0 +0.2

17 rounds x 1950 hides = 33,150 to get to 119.8; 1601 hides to get to 120.0 for a total of 34,751 hides.

I generally switched servers after every two or three rounds, denoted by the asterisks. First was house in Malas (near Luna), second Tram Skara, third Tram Delucia, fourth Umbra, fifth Fel Jhelom, sixth Fel Nujel'm, seventh house in Tram (between Brit and Cove).

I did all of the tailoring basically straight through over a two day period. My perception was that switching servers gave a "bump" when gains started slowing. This could certainly be random, but it did seem consistent at the time.

[ShadwDrgn]

I hit 109.6 on oil cloths and ate 1,600 hides on gorgets without a single gain. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/frown.gif

[KKSchoolcraft]

Question: How long (time table) is it taking everyone to get these gains? Are you going from 100 to 120 in a week? two weeks, a month or is this strickly getting your .1 GGS per day, possibly .2 etc. Are you taking 40k of cloth and burning throught it in a few hours to go from 100 to the 109 etc.

Thanks,
Taz

Just a thought, shouldn't this post be made sticky? Was looking for a guide on gains and most of the other forums have theirs at the top.
Anyway, thx for the list of what to make.

I think people look in the FAQ for a guide on gains. The information is in the FAQ along with a link to this thread.

Oops, didn't see it there. Was temporaraly blind i guess. Sorry. Found it when I looked this time.
*crawls back under his rock*

[Vincent Delavien]

Horray!
A New Legendary tailor on Europa now, less than 10 minutes ago got the last gain.:)
..Did it greately thanks to this wonderfull "gain from 100% items"- feat and specially people who have studied,experimented and documented the "how to's" of tailoring training.

Some results and more or less superstitiousness-inspired findings, hope this helps someone.(Some/all of these "observations" are just my paranoia and are miles away from being facts, i am sure.:)ä


From 109.6 to 120, used about 36-38k leather.(I recycled everything)

As stated somewhere earlier on this thread. changing servers seems to help. Whenever I noticed hitting a wall or just suffering from very, very slow gains I would recall into a different town/sever and kill myself. This almost always seemed to tear the gainwall down and improve the gains for a while.

Bustiers seemed to give gains much better than gloves.
Studded armors seemed to give gains much better than sleeves.

At one point, I burned some 600 bones in the process making bone helms and an occasional bone tunic.Not a single gain from them..and since they can't be resycled or even sold, I wouldn't bother.

Phew. off to sleep now. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

[Setnaffa]

OK. I just finished taking my tailor from GM to Legendary on Pacific, and here are the numbers:

What I made:
100-109.6: Oil Cloths
109.6-114: Studded Gorgets
114-118: Studded Gloves
118-120.0: Studded Sleeves

Cloth Used: 7,655 (way less than I expected)
Leather Used: 37,624 (a little less than the last time I did it)

Time:
GM - 110: 4 hours 20 minutes
110 - 120: 5 hours 24 minutes
Total Time (spread over 3 days): 9 hours 44 minutes

Last summer when I took my Napa Tailor to 120, he used a little over 40,000 leather and it took him about 11 hours.