[UO Herald] Origin to be Published 61.1

[UO Herald News]

Adjusted the special move attack on the Slasher Veil, he will now ignore invulnerable people.
The two (2) new Veteran Reward mounts will no longer take up 4 control slots
The issue with the housing teleporters teleporting grandfathered and co owned houses has been fixed.
You can once again place addons on top of goza mats.




More... (http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=967)

[Gheed]

/joy! I wonder if all add-ons can be placed on top of one another?

[Viquire]

WOOT!

For all of it, thanks devs!:hug:

[kelmo]

Nothing on the Codex yet? Just asking. The teleporter isuues with Siege?

Thank you for all you do.

[Assia]

/joy! I wonder if all add-ons can be placed on top of one another?

Agreed! Devs, can we place our rugs under our beds and looms again? Does it just allow the gozas or all add-ons?

[Mapper]

No polar bear fix? I thought it was simple.. By the time Publish 62 comes along I'll like my yellow bummed mount!

[yorky]

Adjusted the special move attack on the Slasher Veil, he will now ignore invulnerable people.
The two (2) new Veteran Reward mounts will no longer take up 4 control slots
The issue with the housing teleporters teleporting grandfathered and co owned houses has been fixed.
You can once again place addons on top of goza mats.




More... (http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=967)

Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou! :D

[Tina Small]

Can the decorators please provide a list of things that the folks on Origin should test for this publish?

And can a dev please give us an idea of how long we have to play with this on Origin before you plan to publish the other shards?

[Viquire]

also, does this mean it is safe at this time to place the codex?

[miss uo]

No polar bear fix? I thought it was simple.. By the time Publish 62 comes along I'll like my yellow bummed mount!

My polor bear looked fluffy white this morning.

[Mapper]

My polor bear looked fluffy white this morning.

Mine is still very yellow.

[katherinepgoh]

Thank you for fixing the goza issue quickly and promptly Devs! The design and decorating community :heart: you!

[DevilsOwn]

Can the decorators please provide a list of things that the folks on Origin should test for this publish?

And can a dev please give us an idea of how long we have to play with this on Origin before you plan to publish the other shards?

thanks Tina Small :) most of the issues encountered can be found in this thread (http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=162181)... basically it's uncooperative deeded items (won't place on goza, won't place near or on top of each other, etc)

[jradar71]

Can the decorators please provide a list of things that the folks on Origin should test for this publish?

YES... Anyone that has been experiencing issues with decorating send me a PM with the issue you are having and explanation if needed. I will test everything that is sent to me tonight and report on whether or not you can or cannot do it.

[Gheed]

Can the decorators please provide a list of things that the folks on Origin should test for this publish?

And can a dev please give us an idea of how long we have to play with this on Origin before you plan to publish the other shards?

Can EA put her on the payroll? Maybe free accounts?

[JC the Builder]

What about the unwalkable tiles located outside many dungeon entrances? This was supposed to be fixed but you still can not exit Ice Dungeon.

[Uvtha]

Hooray!

[jtw1984]

What about the unwalkable tiles located outside many dungeon entrances? This was supposed to be fixed but you still can not exit Ice Dungeon.


Oh you can exit ice dungeon. As long as you can teleport.

[Kellgory]

I ran into a problem yesterday while checking spawns, I couldn't cross the North bridge come from tortoise going towards Del/ice east. I could cross the South bridge. Has anyone else noticed this.

[Maplestone]

Thank you for fixing the goza issue quickly and promptly Devs! The design and decorating community :heart: you!

The design and decorating community is a little bipolar in the extremes of love and hate it swings between.

[kokopelli]

What about the ethy mount tool that's not usable by anyone as described on the herald?

[MalagAste]

Please let us know.... if you need a deed for the codex let me know I believe I have a few on Origin.... if you wanted to test them without losing yours.

Though I am not sure those are fixed ... not mentioned in the patch notes.

Please test and see if I will be able to make stone countertops again... I seriously need to do that.

Thanks for testing things.

Can't wait to hear about it.

*crosses fingers hoping they really fixed the situation*

[Viquire]

Have not played around with gozas, and I think I was having some success at the multi tile deed placement, but come to think of it I may not have been asking any of my other things to share tiles. I can tell you that I was not able to place a medium table in front of a wall tapestry.

[Tina Small]

Please let us know.... if you need a deed for the codex let me know I believe I have a few on Origin.... if you wanted to test them without losing yours.

Though I am not sure those are fixed ... not mentioned in the patch notes.

Please test and see if I will be able to make stone countertops again... I seriously need to do that.

Thanks for testing things.

Can't wait to hear about it.

*crosses fingers hoping they really fixed the situation*

MalagAste, I just now had a chance to get back to the computer since early this morning when I made my last post. I have to dig through my stuff on Origin and see what house add-ons I have stashed away and see if my tailor can make gaza deeds. My carpenter's only at 50 something, so I can't make anything new. I have a keep, so I think I'm probably not going to be able to try the stone counters, unless there's a way to do them without going into customize mode and I have a few extra stone table deeds laying around. If you have a link to the instructions, I can perhaps try parts of the process.

For now I'll just try standard stuff like putting tapestries behind forges and multi-tile objects like the large forge or water troughs on top of different sizes of gazas. I will also try the codex of virtue again.

[AtlanticVlad]

test breking stone tables and things like that please the
I can tell you that I was not able to place a medium table in front of a wall tapestry. isnt right I hope this is fixed...

[Tina Small]

Looking good BUT NOT PERFECT so far.

Placed various deeded items (both sizes of elven beds, brown bear rug, stone oven, water trough, spinning wheel, dark tapestry) over a bloodwood arcane circle and redeeded them without losing anything. Tried the placing and redeeding multiple times and in different order and all was still okay.

Was able to place dark tapestries behind a tall elven bed, although it was a little tough finding a good place to make it all fit. But neither of the two tapestries was perfectly centered behind the bed.

On the east side of the 2nd floor of the keep, was not able to place a west-facing castle ladder with an east facing dark tapestry directly behind it, but I can't remember if that was even possible before.

And I cannot seem to get a large forge to place directly in front of a dark tapestry.

Can someone provide screen shots of some stuff you've done with the tapestries to give a better idea of how closely they're spaced with deedable items? I can lay stuff on the ground (e.g., a rune book) and lock it down right in front of one, but placing deeded stuff in front of them seems to be not working correctly.

I'm going to make up some gaza deeds to play with next.

[Tina Small]

I placed a new Codex of Virtue on the keep roof about 3 times and took it up without problems, but now I can't get it to place again. I even managed to take it up without breaking it with a bee hive and a dye tub placed on top of it.

[DevilsOwn]

Tina, some things for you to try

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/Flynte/decodisaster.jpg

The bear rug in front of the hearth is not chopped, they just sat down together nicely. Would like to know if the tapestry/curtain combo is still possible. Before I knew what was going on I took a bear rug up from under that red chair in the little room and it will now not sit back down...... his nose was west of the candelabra pointing south and the bear legs were not under the table legs, just under the table. There was a minor trick to getting the deer head on the hearth, don't expect you to test that one.

thanks for checking things out!

[Viquire]

test breking stone tables and things like that please the
I can tell you that I was not able to place a medium table in front of a wall tapestry. isnt right I hope this is fixed...

As I said, and I hope no one will take this as an exploit, which technically speaking, this whole process is, but as I said I have not had a chance to play around with gozas at all. The table deed would not place on the floor in front of a placed wall tapestry as it did previously. That said it does not mean there is no hope, just that we haven't tested that far yet.

Also, Tina have you tried putting the codex down on a goza covered floor?

I have a sac ankh/ bloody pent combination for my roof I need to try and put back together and it might be that placing things at a z axis over the actual floor would work. While it would create extra steps in the process, its not like we haven't done strange things before in the name of art, and the bottom line is that we are able to achieve the look. Of course if this allows us to bypass whatever security was put in place due to the breaking of dressers or what not, it might not be considered a good thing.

Someone warn me if/before I go to far in discussing technicalities.

[DevilsOwn]

Viq, if you have some open space could you try placing a table and then the tapestry on all sides of it, see if it places anywhere near it? and the bear rugs, if you have them?

[Viquire]

no bear rugs for testing, but I am willing to bet my bloody pent and sac ankh test would cover the same territory. I have to put kids in bed but should be able to try this a bit later.

[Tina Small]

DevilsOwn, I can get the same type of chair to sit directly in front of either the curtains or the tapestry (see 1st screen shot below). However, I can't seem to get the tapestry to share the same wall space with the curtains.

I also can't get a bear rug to place any closer than one tile away from a tapestry. Weird that a chair can sit in that empty tile, but a rug can't. Neither can a bed. (See 2nd screen shot.)

I was also able to place a Hearth of the Home Fire on top of a brown bear rug so they looked exactly like yours (other than the color of the rug). (See 1st screen shot below.)

I played with the gaza deeds a little bit with a water trough. Haven't done a whole lot with those and didn't have much in the way of deedable multi-tile objects that I knew SHOULD be able to be broken by using the gaza deeds. I was able to raise gaza deeds next to the stair railing in a keep and place a water trough on them; lower one deed and then half the trough to break it, and then axe away half of the trough. (See 3rd and 4th screen shots.)

I also tried various combinations of the square rugs with looms and spinning wheels on top of them. (See last three screen shots. )

I also put up some hanging swords from the Heritage tokens and was able to place a chair directly in front of it.

I don't have any spare stone tables to play with and carpenter is a long way from being able to make them. Hopefully someone else on Origin can try that out for you all.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/hearthandbearrug.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/bedrugtapestrycombo.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/brokenwatertrough.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/half-axedwatertrough.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/rugwitheastfacingloom.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/rugwithsouthfacingloom.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/rugloomspinningwheelcombination.jpg

[Tina Small]

I'll give it a try to put a codex down on top of gazas. Noticed my bee hive is gone. I moved it earlier to try the codex and I guess I must not have locked it down. Oh well!! Never remembered to get the honey out of it anyway. rolleyes:

I do have some stone tables on the first floor. Will see if a polar bear or brown bear rug will go under them or not.

[MalagAste]

Breaking items with Goza's is fairly easy and does NOT require you to go into Deco mode....

Place three Goza mats on the floor and raise them up all the way then back them down about 2 times..... next use a large table deed on them... (note the goza's must be all the same height).. When you have it up on the goza mats lower one side 2 or 3 times with a house tool targeting one of the goza mats on the end.... This should "break" the table.... if that breaks the table you can go ahead and raise it back up and redeed it if you like... just need to know if it works again.

[Viquire]

I'll give it a try to put a codex down on top of gazas. Noticed my bee hive is gone. I moved it earlier to try the codex and I guess I must not have locked it down. Oh well!! Never remembered to get the honey out of it anyway. rolleyes:

NNOOOOOOOoooooo!

rats! Thanks so much for testing!

[Tina Small]

Yup, stone tables can be placed on top of a polar bear rug. An arcane circle can also lay under a polar bear rug and a stone table.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/bearrugstonetablesarcanecircle.jpg

[Viquire]

This is good news and makes me relatively sure regarding the ankh and pent before trying.

I would like to test the globe trick I think I have one I can spare if someone interested can pm me specifics on how to make the base disappear that would be appreciated.

So at this point it would appear the only difficulties lie in wall based multi tile objects. No idea how to begin a workaround for the curtain and tapestry combo, sorry DO. I am worried now about my Guild stone which is placed in front of a curtain on GL though.

[Tina Small]

Okay this is what I finally got to work. I had to shove everything over to one side and was standing in same spot as in the screen shot. Put the targeting cursor about where the middle of the codex is now and it finally placed. I suspect that placement further north might be possible if the ladder wasn't where it is now. Got a few messages about stairs being in the way when I was trying to make it place. :

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/codexontopofgazas.jpg

However, after going to Luna and coming back to the keep (it's in Fel), this is what I now see. The yellow gazas where you can actually see part of the codex are the very last ones on the tailor gump and are just called "square gaza" with no direction. I wonder if the whole codex would be visible if I had only used that type of gaza?

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Ultima%20Online/codexafterleavingthefacetandreturni.jpg







However,Hmm....now what do I do?????? I'm afraid to touch anything!!!!!! LOL



Someone give me some ideas on what to do next with this codex on top of gazas?!!

[Viquire]

If I had to guess, I would say that the codex, like the new carpet tiles adhere themselves or possibly replace the tile underneath instead of lying on top.try chopping gozas you see "above" the codex?

PS if this causes the loss of some of the codex I have a bunch of tickets for replacement.

[Tina Small]

I managed to, very carefully, axe all the gazas. Some were a bit tricky but eventually they all came up. Then I stood my character on the codex, close to the center and axed it in the center. It went back into deed form.

I'm not sure what else to try with this thing and the gazas.

[Tina Small]

I played with the gaza deeds a little bit with a water trough. Haven't done a whole lot with those and didn't have much in the way of deedable multi-tile objects that I knew SHOULD be able to be broken by using the gaza deeds. I was able to raise gaza deeds next to the stair railing in a keep and place a water trough on them; lower one deed and then half the trough to break it, and then axe away half of the trough. (See 3rd and 4th screen shots.)


I forgot to mention that when I was playing with the trough deed and gazas, in addition to being able to get the trough to show a split and lower or raise the halves independently of each other, I was able to raise the two pieces back to the same level and redeed it. As noted earlier, I did finally just split it and axed away one half of it. Of course at that point, the remaining half wouldn't redeed and poofed for good when I used an axe on it. So I THINK this aspect of using gazas to split stuff is working as it used to.

What seems very off, though, is placing stuff near tapestries.

I hadn't thought about the new banners yet and trying to place stuff near those, so I guess I'll play with them a little bit. They don't go into deed form once you get them though, so they probably play by different rules than the tapestries.

Edited to add:

The new banners can be placed on a wall and then have a rug, a loom, a chair and probably any number of other things placed directly in front of them.

[Viquire]

I played with the gaza deeds a little bit with a water trough. Haven't done a whole lot with those and didn't have much in the way of deedable multi-tile objects that I knew SHOULD be able to be broken by using the gaza deeds. I was able to raise gaza deeds next to the stair railing in a keep and place a water trough on them; lower one deed and then half the trough to break it, and then axe away half of the trough. (See 3rd and 4th screen shots.)


I forgot to mention that when I was playing with the trough deed and gazas, in addition to being able to get the trough to show a split and lower or raise the halves independently of each other, I was able to raise the two pieces back to the same level and redeed it. As noted earlier, I did finally just split it and axed away one half of it. Of course at that point, the remaining half wouldn't redeed and poofed for good when I used an axe on it. So I THINK this aspect of using gazas to split stuff is working as it used to.

What seems very off, though, is placing stuff near tapestries.

I hadn't thought about the new banners yet and trying to place stuff near those, so I guess I'll play with them a little bit. They don't go into deed form once you get them though, so they probably play by different rules than the tapestries.

Correct. They would be more like pictures and chairs. Logging in to try my hand now.

[AtlanticVlad]

Next time you have the problem with things like the codex going under gozas try mounting or dismounting and if that doesn't fix it recall out and in again =) usually just the items switching place because they occupy the same space.

[Viquire]

Testing now with notes added in as I do it.

First, as I had expected and hoped ankh went down over the pent just fine.

Initial test of tapestry and table facing east (last was south) produced same "you cannot construct that there" msg

*KK first test, square goza can not be placed on tile directly in front of placed tapestry. Lets try to skin the cat another way.

* removing all deco from the wall and floor I place gozas and raise to maximum elevation, I can now place the tapestry on the wall, and gozas are in place.

And I succeed at placing the table on the gozas lowered by 6 on the z axis!

BUT (damn!) there is a problem. when the gozas are lowered to the floor the tapestry is inserting itself through the table top. I need to try this operation with shadow banner deeds.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk111/BeowolfHTX/tapestryfail.jpg

* I had another thought, it might be possible that whatever change was made broke the existing tapetries and a newly awarded one would act differently. I have no idea if I have a deed that would award a tapestry that I could redeem, but I will try.*

[Viquire]

Good news on shadow banners. Using the same process described above produced a table on the floor firmly appearing to be in front of the wall hanging. No poking through the top of the table.

I was not able to obtain a deed for a fresh tapestry. Sry.

[Sarsmi]

Possibly the tapestry is poking thru because it is raised up, if it were lowered all the way to the floor the graphic would not be trying to superimpose on something that is not as high as it is (the table).

[dreadflame]

The two (2) new Veteran Reward mounts will no longer take up 4 control slots



Thanks!! :thumbup:

[DevilsOwn]

Tina, I'm so very sorry about your beehive .... if I had one over there it would surely be yours.

A big thank you to you and Viq for all this testing, it is very much appreciated.

I do think, however, that something is still not quite right, and I hope the QA types are taking a hard look at what has been changed and how to revert it to what it once was.

Honestly, all this fuss because of one dresser? Couldn't it simply have been removed from the game?

[Mapper]

Couldn't it simply have been removed from the game?

That's like giving up! 'Oh this new feature doesn't work, lets just can it' Would never want to see that attitude in a game.

[Viquire]

Sarsmi, I can't make the tapestry itself do anything with the tool while it is on the wall.

Even with just the mats down and manipulating them through the z axis, bits of the tapestry poke through, though not nearly as evident as with the table. Its like they pulled the tapestry away from the wall by a position or something.

[Olahorand]

Did you explicitely lock down the tapestry (not sure if this works)? If not, the tool cannot be used to move unlocked items.

[Viquire]

Did you explicitely lock down the tapestry (not sure if this works)? If not, the tool cannot be used to move unlocked items.

No I didn't I may try that, but like the tables we are no locger able to lock down portions of a multi tile, typically. We could long ago when these table were first introduced but they fixed that and then introduced the cure in the form of goza mats.

I did not recieve the error message "that is not locked down" when trying to manipulate the tapestry, but the "you cannot raise that" or "you cannot lower that" messages.

[Sarsmi]

Did you explicitely lock down the tapestry (not sure if this works)? If not, the tool cannot be used to move unlocked items.

No I didn't I may try that, but like the tables we are no locger able to lock down portions of a multi tile, typically. We could long ago when these table were first introduced but they fixed that and then introduced the cure in the form of goza mats.

I did not recieve the error message "that is not locked down" when trying to manipulate the tapestry, but the "you cannot raise that" or "you cannot lower that" messages.

Did you try breaking the tapestry to lower all the pieces? Place two square goza mats then raise them a few times, place the tap on them and then lower one goza mat. Lower the lower tap piece till it won't go anymore then lower the other piece. You'd probably want to do this bit after the table is in place since taps are being the stubborn ones.

[DevilsOwn]

That's like giving up! 'Oh this new feature doesn't work, lets just can it' Would never want to see that attitude in a game.


no, just take it out and rework it so that the particular item is no longer an issue, then put it back in.... breaking everything else to fix one item doesn't seem to be working

[Viquire]

KK
First off special thanks to falseprophet of Origin who went to work and got me a brand new flower tapestry to play with. I wish I could say that his effort paid off with some new and enlightening finds, but alas it didn't.

Sarsmi's idea about breaking the tap itself seems interesting and I'll try that now. I had a shard xfer I was going to try and make happen before the end of Return to Britannia, but what the heck. It isn't happening with the publish differential anyway.

[edda]

The add-ons are going on the goza mats now! :D
But I seem to be missing a few add-ons that were up when I left last night. Unless my friend took them down.

[Viquire]

Ok well that's new to me anyway. I was able to get the tapestry to place above the table, but at that point dropping the mats produced no fall in the tapestry art. And now of course the tapestry is easily visible on the floor above.

Will edit after I play more.

*tried placing the tapestry at several height positions when mats were protruding up through, but not fully visible or above the table. All these tests produced the "you cannot construct that there" failure.

Then I removed the table raised all mats by one and placed the tapestry. When I lowered the mats the wall art stayed in position, so it becomes static once placed. However the placement of the tap at plus one had the effect of allowing me to place the table at floor level, no need to play with mat elevation, but with the same graphic glitch as before. :(

[DevilsOwn]

need to be able to drop the goza at least two clicks in order to get an item to break.... I've never attempted to chop tapestries, so can't help any further than that

[Viquire]

need to be able to drop the goza at least two clicks in order to get an item to break.... I've never attempted to chop tapestries, so can't help any further than that

Right, no I did that. But the art remains static on the wall. Here, I'll check my work.

[Viquire]

OK, placing the tap at position number four off the floor did result in the tap "breaking" after it had been lowered two spaces, but I only got the one height adjustment through four z repositionings and the tap appears to still be one off the floor because when the mats are fully lowered I can still place the table, complete with insertion glitches, with no problem directly on the goza mats on top of the floor tiles.

[Viquire]

Alright now here is something new.

The floors of my castle are completely covered in black gozas, many times two space south gozas were placed one tile north of the wall and "appeared" to be consistent tiling even covering tiles located under the wall(s).

As I just tried to repeat this process, I get the error message "you can't place a multi tile add-on at the entrance!" even though I am "working" in my northeast tower at the south side of the building.

Maybe something was done with the walls themselves, can anyone else on origin try placing add ons along the south wall of any room please?

*edit* I can place single tile gozas under these south walls, very odd.

[DevilsOwn]

Alright now here is something new.

Maybe something was done with the walls themselves, can anyone else on origin try placing add ons along the south wall of any room please?

*edit* I can place single tile gozas under these south walls, very odd.

reported here (http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=160949)... (post date 10/2) I attempted, after reading this, to put a trough anywhere along the southern walls of the castle, no good

[Viquire]

Thanks for that heads up DO. I have other unrelated questions now that i will post over in homes and castles at another time.

[Xenobia]

no, just take it out and rework it so that the particular item is no longer an issue, then put it back in.... breaking everything else to fix one item doesn't seem to be working

Agreed! This is a huge mess over one item. Would have been easier and less stressful for everyone to just remove it, fix it and re-add it instead of putting everyone through this.

[MalagAste]

Alright now here is something new.

Maybe something was done with the walls themselves, can anyone else on origin try placing add ons along the south wall of any room please?

*edit* I can place single tile gozas under these south walls, very odd.

reported here (http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=160949)... (post date 10/2) I attempted, after reading this, to put a trough anywhere along the southern walls of the castle, no good

I get this message anytime I try to place a water trough on either the east or south edge of a building...