For Those Who Are Unsure...

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I don't post much, just lurk a lot (like 6 years) and I have read where a lot of people are wondering what the "ultimate Doom/champ/peerless" tank is and I would like to add my 2 cents.

I play a simple samurai/paladin that does heavy pvp and pvm. I have not changed my template since Nov. 2004. I absolutely love the defense Bushido gives me. This was taken earlier this evening when I was doing my Doom circuit. Now, to get the damage like that is kind of rare, so don't think it was every hit. I'd say the average hit (once perfection built up) was 120-170ish.

In a nutshell: C/W, Divine, EoO, 10 lvl of perfection, critical hit (non slayer weapon) going off along with the counter attack (normally when soloing big bosses I keep evasion up at all times but I decided on counter attack to get the screenie). There is no doubt in my mind that the Sammy/pally or Sammy in vamp form is the superior template to be a supertank. Happy hunting


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Excellent. Can you give us your template, stats, equipment details? Just for curiosity.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

120 swords
120 parry
120 bushido
100 tactics
100 anatomy
90 healing
70 chiv

helm of insight
gauntlets of nobility
jackals collar
rune beetle carapace
fey leggings
high resist mana regen 2 sleeves
ring, 13 HCI/DCI, resists
brace 12 HCI/ 10 DCI, 7 LMC, resists
5 DCI quiver
primer on arms talisman
crimson

stats with gear on:
str- 130 hit points
dex- 145
int- 78

lowest resist is 63 and highest is 66, 48 DCI, 30 lmc, 7 mana regen, 40 DI (minus weapon), for weapons, I prefer ornates with ssi, mana leech, hld at the minimum.

If I could find a way and acquire the gear, I would love to run this guy in vamp form.

[Keegan-ElF]

Impressive to say the least.

I dropped my chiv for Focus, but then again my Sammy warrior is more set up for PvP.

Though I might just have to do a thing or three for PvM on another character.

Nice setup. Nigh unkillable in PvM.

I had the same thing, except maces instead of swords. In order to try the necro mode, I soulstoned healing/anatomy for necro/resist/med and bumped tactics to 120.

I found that I wasn't taking enough damage with evasion and that I had plenty of healing with confidence, vamp form's life leach, and chiv. The only downside was that I was using even more mana.

Also, in PvP, if a mage figures out you have no resist, you will be mana drained and para-ganked. An ignominious and humiliating way to die.
It'll rarely hapen in PvM. Sometimes a lich or lich lord will use mana drain, but they're hardly a threat.

[genuine_fake]

Have you been able to solo the Dark Father with that template? I have almost the same exact thing, only with 40 out of Tactics for Necro to turn Vamp with items. I can kill any of the bosses (sometimes the Abyssmal Horror gets me) except the DF.

The reason I was thinking I could solo him was because of a guy I saw down there who was using the exact same thing and could take it alone. He died sometimes, but not that often, and he said that he's killed a DF alone before in 12 minutes.

Any tips?

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Yes, I can solo the Dark Father but I have to pay extra attention to the blood oaths (instant death for me) and I have to keep the spawn under control. I am in the process of setting some macros for cutting the bones up. Its been about 3 years since I have done Doom so I feel like a gauntlet newbie again, hehe.

Without the spawn, the DF would be real easy. The only threat he poses to me is blood oath. I'll be honest in saying that there is no way I can do it in 12 minutes though, more like 30-40 min. Hopefully if I get the bone cutting down it will be less. I like your idea of the 40 tactics for the vamp form. That is the only thing I want to experiment with on this template. I'll give it a shot.

The key to soloing the DF that I have seen work for me is: always honor it, the perfection is sick damage, run evasion, use momentum strike (or whirlwind if the spawn is building up) on the revenants and spawn. I spend most of my time clearing the spawn out but I have absolutely no problem going toe to toe with the DF (sans oath). The rest of the Doom bosses are real easy. Just got to pay attention to the blood oaths.
Hope this helps http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/dmg2.jpg

[genuine_fake]

Thanks... I tried it last night, but it was so horrible I couldn't bear to try it again. He killed me about 3 times. I just plain wasn't able to hit him. I always have lightning strike going too (HCI max), and the spawn hadn't even popped up yet. 115 macing too, but do I have to have 120 in order to hit him?

What kind of weapon do you use? Since I heard that elemental slayers do work on him, I found a nice club with 52 mana leech, air elemental slayer, 28 damage increase, and 27 hit lower defense. My suit has 9 MR, 21 LMC, and 64/70/70/55/69 resists. He would hit me for like 48 and then a second later for 56, I don't even know what it was. I know it wasn't blood oath because I never saw the visual and it never popped up in my status gump. On most everything else I fight I rely on my bandages and the leech from Vamp form to heal me, but I wasn't leeching anything because I wasn't hitting. Maybe I should switch to swords and use the Soul Seeker, the 3 leeches and 60 SSI is starting to look very nice.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I'll be honest and say I am not sure about slayers that work on the DF. I know deamon works but I am unsure about the elemental. I will try my Z-claw and see if it works.

I do not use any slayers. All I use is an unenhanced ornate axe with high SSI, DI, Mana leech and HLD and it works fine (as long as I keep consecrate up but as long as perfection is running, its not a big deal). You don't need 120 to hit the DF as far as I know, 115 should suffice. I also use the soul seeker or a mystic halberd with high ssi, di, mana leech, hit harm for whirlwind if the spawn is getting too bad.

It does seem like you are getting hit awfully hard. I dont really pay attention to what i'm getting hit for because he seldom hits me back to back (max parry and DCI 4tw). Im gonna try and swap some tactics out for some necro. Stick with it, once you find your groove, it is too easy.

[genuine_fake]

I suppose one of my problems is a lack of DCI. Other than the 5 from my quiver, I have none. Add to that I only have 115 bushido and 110 parry and I'm not evading as much as you either. I'll try to rework my suit.

Thanks a ton for the encouragement, I'll keep trying. And I'm going to switch to swords anyways, it's too hard to find nice mace weapons (without them swinging like molasses).

Also understand there is a HUGE difference between 115 bushido/110 parry and 120/120. For this template against those monsters it is vital to have them maxed. Look at that post on these forums a few months ago setting the evade chance for different skills and you will see it is substantial.

Just keep working with the template and you will love it. It is hard to get going, but once you get the right set up and everything you will LOVE the char.

[genuine_fake]

Have you seen how much those 120 Bushido and 120 Parry scrolls cost? http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

To buy the scrolls I have to make money. To make money I have to earn artifacts in Doom. To earn artifacts in doom I have to have 120 Bushido and Parry.

It just doesn't work out for me.

However, I checked out the difference between 120/120 and the 115/110 that I have. The parry chance for 120/120 is 35% while at 115/110 it is a 31% chance. According to the Samurai Forum FAQ (which may be outdated, don't know), evasion adds 50% to your parry chance, regardless of amount of Bushido. So the difference between 15 or so million gold is a 4% Parry chance.

I think this is wrong though, because according to that I would be parrying 81% of all the junk he throws at me, and I really don't think I am.

I don't know the actual numbers, but going off the numbers you provided...
"evasion adds 50% to your parry chance"

Parry chance + Evasion addition = Parry w/Evasion chance
(50% of Parry chance)
30% + 15% = 45% ?(100/100)?
31% + 15.5% = 46.5% (110/115)?
35% + 17.5% = 52.5% (120/120)

i doubt it adds 50% to 31%

I don't know if the evasion effectiveness scales by skill level also, if so then these numbers will be off for the stats that list Bushi under 120

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I finally did some template altering after 2 plus years. I went ahead and stoned my gm tactics and replaced it with 45 tactics and 55 necro to give vamp form a shot. I was getting real envious reading how everyone enjoyed it.

I go down to the gauntlet and was simply amazed. The damage output was a little bit lower but I was still getting criticals for 180ish rather than 220ish but IMHO, the benefit of the life leech in itself is worth the vamp form. I found that it took me much less time to kill the DF (did not die) and I actually welcomed the spawn as you can see by the screenie. The hits I was scoring with momentum strike and whirlwind kept me near full health.

I was impressed to say the least and look forward to going back down there. The rest of the bosses were an absolute joke. I killed the darknight creeper so fast that 2 fleshies spawned (i dont know, i was alone and I'm not sure what made the other fleshie spawn) and at first I though I bit off more than I could chew but with the life leech and confidence, momentum strike 4tw. I wish I grabbed a screenie of that.

Sadly, I have been soloing doom all week and haven't got nothing. lol, thats how it goes I guess. Just got to find some bracers and trade my taming mark for the necro one.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/dmg3.jpg

Nice. I may see if I have a good demon slayer mace and a reworked suit with a lot of DCI and head on down there.

Offhand, I think you'd want to have a little HLD 25+ on your weapon. Once it goes off, you will quickly build up perfection and will be running with max perfection most of the time. Looks to me like you are already doing that, but I wanted to mention it anyway.

Also, I was under the opinion that consecrate weapon has no effect on the DF because all the resists are the same. Do you mean EOO?

Finally, if you have EOO up, don't you take extra damage from the other spawn? Granted, with vamp form, it probably doesn't matter, but I thought that's how it worked.

Again, the only thing that you'll have to worry about (a little) is being mana drained by a lich or lich lord. They like to do that and if it happens at a critical time, you could be in trouble.

I'm guessing the ideal weapon would be:
war hammer or black staff (for whirlwind)
undead slayer
HLD
DI/HCI/SSI/DCI (the usual suspects)
hit fireball
100% fire damage

[genuine_fake]

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I don't know the actual numbers, but going off the numbers you provided...
"evasion adds 50% to your parry chance"

Parry chance + Evasion addition = Parry w/Evasion chance
(50% of Parry chance)
30% + 15% = 45% ?(100/100)?
31% + 15.5% = 46.5% (110/115)?
35% + 17.5% = 52.5% (120/120)

i doubt it adds 50% to 31%

I don't know if the evasion effectiveness scales by skill level also, if so then these numbers will be off for the stats that list Bushi under 120

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ROFL, I'm so sorry, I wasn't thinking when I posted that. I really do know that it's not 81% chance to parry. Thanks for putting the numbers up Ni.

So, it looks like it is a 6% increase. As soon as I can afford it, I will get 120 bushido and parry. Besides, at 120 it is like 1 in 5 LS is critical right? That will be nice.

Baghdaddy, I'm glad you like it! Yes the life leech is amazing. How are you liking that extra mana and stamina regen too? I actually got SUPER lucky and my 2nd artifact I've ever got from doom was the midnight bracers (first was jackal's collar, only got 2 so far). I don't have a mark, but I have only 40 necro and it works great for me. Puts me at 104 (one of my jewels is only +14) and thats plenty enough for me. I insure 20 LRC head, gorget, and leg pieces so I don't have to use regs.

Oh and I do think the elemental slayers work on the DF. Go look in the warrior forum for the post named "What slayers work on the Dark Father?" by me. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go get the link. Anyhow, in there Guildmule tells me they work. I went and tried it with that Air Elemental slayer i mentioned, I think it does work. Also, now I've decided to switch to Fencing. I just got the most AWESOME Pitchfork to use on the DF. It has 40 stam leech, 40 mana leech, 25 ssi, earth elle slayer, and 38 damage increase. How cool is that?

One more question I forgot about. The poison that the RCs give you, I'm guessing it is the highest level right? I've noticed that it isn't resisted by Vamp form. Also, I have about 94 Healing and I fail to cure it every once in a while. I never actually get the fail to cure message, but it just says you finished applying the bandages and doesn't heal the poison. Is this normal?

[genuine_fake]

Yes Croaker, EoO really hurts to use on the DF. I only use it in the very beginning of the fight, when he is alone. Once the spawn comes I don't dare use it. Mostly because if a Lich just goes off on you, you're pretty screwed. Even though you're in Vamp form and you'll leech more from doing more damage, it just isn't worth it because of how much damage the critters do to you. Also, if you have 100% DI on your weapons, built up Perfection, and a Demon slayer weapon, the 50% DI from EoO is not doing you any good, since you're already at the 300 cap.

I'll elaborate a little on the Elemental slayers. They supposedly give a 50% damage increase on the DF instead of the normal 100% from Demon slayers. I can't honestly confirm this, because I haven't done serious testing (which would be pretty hard to do), but I did notice an increase when using the air elemental slayer.

I would love to get HLD on my weapon too, but I don't want to go searching for another weapon. Maybe I could use the Mace and Shield glasses? The effect of HLD is only a 20% DCI penalty, so maybe it's not vital that I have it.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Decided to solo a Dread Horn last night and was pretty impressed with the end results. We all know that the hardest part of the Twisted Weld is gathering the keys. I was extra careful in my steps and used patience dealing with each creature. I was prepared to embrace honor but never had to.

After about 30-45 min I grab all the keys and place them in the statue. I was curious as to how this was gonna go because you hear of disco tamers and the such soloing the DH and maybe two dexxers cross healing but not much about a single dexxer.

I teleported in and quickly honored the DH and put up my usual buffs. I was amazed on how fast this fight went. Even though he has way more HP than the DF, I was able to focus on him solely. At no time did I feel the need to run to the other side of the island and heal, actually the leech and perfection was working so well that at times I stopped using evasion and went with counter attack. I moved positions one time because there was a small group gathering keys and was dying often around the altar and I wanted them to see me.

It was very satisfying opening the Dread Horn corpse knowing that it was all for you and you did not have to go back to the "Guild House" to roll for elite items. I put a lot of hard work in making my character and getting the right gear as well as perfecting his tactics. From looking at the clock on my computer, from the time I went in to when I killed him was roughly 17 minutes.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/Slide1-1.jpg

So far so good, everything looks under control

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/Slide2-1.jpg

Everything is running smooth, getting anxious to finish the DH

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Closing in on the kill

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Thats a wrap!

Nice job. I logged into my samurai for the first time in 6 months last night to give this a try. I've completely forgotten how to play him. Gotta get back into practice. I think I'll head down to the citadel.

Had to completely rework the suit to add 45 DCI while keeping mostly 70's resists and some MR. Now, however, I find that my LMC/MR aren't keeping up. DCI was actually helping a lot.

Looks like I'm going to be working on this suit for some time. I may have to go farm swoops with my tamer for a while...

Do you find that you use the healing a lot? Is VE life leech and chiv enough healing for you?

I also couldn't get any HLD on my suit. I'm using the brightsight lenses for the MR, but would consider the mace-and-shield glasses. In my experience, once the HLD hits, you essentially never miss - which is good for a samurai working perfection. Even 20% HLD will be sufficient with something like the DF or dreadhorn that has so many hitpoints.

[your_average_joe]

With vamp form running, are you finding healing and anatomy worthwhile still? I've been considering doing a straight up chiv sammy with vamp form and was wondering how I'd be without healing.

Yeah, that's what I was asking. I found previously that healing wasn't used much in vamp form, and I could get by easily with chiv healing.

However, if you're soloing a DF or dreadhorn, it seems healing may be very useful.

What about doing this?
120 macing/parry/bush/tactics
50 necro
70 chiv
80 healing
40 anat

You don't need to cure with vamp form very much (and chiv can take care of that, or a pot).

I think I'm going to try it. Seems like it should work, and I think I have at least 80 healing stoned somewhere.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I do find healing and anat useful. Granted the leech from vamp form is the primary healing but the healing worked great for curing lethal poison and a couple of close calls. I prefer defense anyday over offense. For lesser bosses you could easily do without heal but I like having it for DH and DF.

I did DH again 2 times this morning and everything went off without a hitch. Got some really good loot and it is sooooo much faster killing DH rather than the DF (at least for a dexxer). If I have time tonight, I might try a proxy solo. Im not worried about his attacks, if I can momentum strike his blobs of acid and get them dead, i might be ok. We'll see.

To compensate the vamp form i put on the brightsight lenses, they are working great, though I hate to not wear the helm of insight (most underrated dexxer piece of armor hands down), I love having the 48 DCI, I fully recommend not trying any high level pvm without max DCI. Croaker, you are right about the HLD, my ornate carries 45 and as u can see from most of my screenies, I am at max perfection pretty much during the whole fight. Happy hunting.

http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm planning to use an exiler or the titan's hammer for doom, and take along a decent silver-etched mace just in case. Probably the pixie swatter or winds edge for the DH. None of these have HLD.

Thus, I'm going to try to find the mace-and-shield glasses and sacrifice a little mana regen, which I can probably regain by using the carapace.

I think, with a little swapping and a good bit of gold (good thing I have that), I can almost match that suit, even with the mace-and-shield.

You might have a big problem with proxy. As I remember it, he lethal poisons A LOT. Take orange pots and perhaps take along a mage that can archcure.

[Balian]

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Ok, I was able to put together this suit:

Mace and shield glasses
jackal's collar
crimson cincture
stormgrips
totem of the void
rune beetle carapace
quiver of infinity
fey leggings
ring: dci 14, lmc 7, di 23, poison resist 7
brac: str 8, dci 12, lmc 8, fire 4, cold 15
arms: mr 2, 15/19/6/6/17

Totals:
DCI 46, HLD 30, mr 5, hpr 8, lmc 40, 70/47/70/33/70 in vamp form
stats str 133, hp 132, dex/stam 125, int 58, mana 68

I'd like to get my fire and poison resist up a bit, but I ain't complaining. Now I just need to re-learn how to use him.

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Hello,

I dont have an arty suit for my dexxer, but this is what I have.
70/70/44/70/75
HLD 70 with a bokuto that has 40hld/40ML/40Stam and 45DI its a sweet PVM wep but I would prefer something with whirlwind attack.
HCI 41 if I switch to Totem it adds 15 HCI
DCI 51
HPR 5
MR 5
114/140/66

120 Bush/Parry
106 of 120 sofar Swords
100 Anat
100 Resist
90 Tact
90 Heal

To do what you guys are doing, what skill would you stone so I can add Chiv to my temp, I have 80 on a stone

And then, with this toon, do you think it could do some soloing in Doom?

I have 120 Fencing on a stone, Ive got some nice weps too, but no whirlwind weps. Ive got mostly 1 handed forks/spikes.

Is Swords the way to go with soloing Doom? the Soulseeker? A good leeching wep?

Thanks in advance!!!!

[Balian]

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I finally did some template altering after 2 plus years. I went ahead and stoned my gm tactics and replaced it with 45 tactics and 55 necro to give vamp form a shot. I was getting real envious reading how everyone enjoyed it.

I go down to the gauntlet and was simply amazed. The damage output was a little bit lower but I was still getting criticals for 180ish rather than 220ish but IMHO, the benefit of the life leech in itself is worth the vamp form. I found that it took me much less time to kill the DF (did not die) and I actually welcomed the spawn as you can see by the screenie. The hits I was scoring with momentum strike and whirlwind kept me near full health.

I was impressed to say the least and look forward to going back down there. The rest of the bosses were an absolute joke. I killed the darknight creeper so fast that 2 fleshies spawned (i dont know, i was alone and I'm not sure what made the other fleshie spawn) and at first I though I bit off more than I could chew but with the life leech and confidence, momentum strike 4tw. I wish I grabbed a screenie of that.

Sadly, I have been soloing doom all week and haven't got nothing. lol, thats how it goes I guess. Just got to find some bracers and trade my taming mark for the necro one.

http://nocache.homestead.com/hstrial-MRice5/dmg3_800x600.jpg

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Hi,

Thats a sweet pic, all the others are too.
Umm, what items are you using to raise necro in order to cast VE?
After you are in Vamp form, do you change the items back to keep your uber suit as is?


Thanks

[Phear]

Can Anyone give me an example of the weapon they are using to do this ?

[genuine_fake]

Balian, your template looked about like what Baghdaddy's did before he tried out vamp form, and he said he could solo it then, so I'd say yeah that template is good to go. You asked about the items you use to raise necro, so I'm guessing you're interested in Vamp form. It is quite worth the investment. Anyhow, there are many items that can raise your necro. The most possible would be all of the following: mark of travesty +10, midnight bracers +20, ossian grimoire +10, bloodwood spirit +5, ring +15, and bracelet +15. This means that you could have 24 necro and turn Vamp with all these items. However, many cannot afford all of it and just choose to pick up about 50 or so and get the easier to obtain items. I keep mine at 40, because I don't have a mark of trav with +10 necro and I also like to go to 105 Necro so it doesn't take me forever to cast. After you turn Vamp, you can take all the items off and put on your regular suit. The effect stays.

Phear, Baghdaddy said he uses ornate axes with high DI, Hit Lower Def, Mana Leech, and Swing Speed Increase without slayers for all the bosses. Although you can look at each boss and try to find a slayer or a weapon that matches their element, you can just use Consecrate Weapon and not worry about slayers. I have a great Earth Elle slayer for the DF (any elemental slayer also works on the DF) but my main weapon for almost all the other bosses that I sometimes use on the DF is an Elven Spellblade with 48 mana leech, 37 hit lower defense, 25 swing speed increase, and 38 damage increase. It works great in any situation. Sometimes I try to get weapons with elemental advantages over some of the bosses is because I hate casting Consecrate Weapon over and over.

Well, this new suit is pretty awesome. I'm soloing paragon succubi without much effort. Just tanking without moving. Killed about a dozen of them today and only died once - to a couple of lucky hits that tanked my stam and killed my swingspeed before I could succeed at divine fury (~78 chiv).

I'm next going to try soloing a paragon balron or two. If I can do that, I should be ready for dark fathers or dreadhorn.

One concern that I have, however, is what the new evasion chance is, now that they require tactics/anatomy for evasion. Currently I have both at GM or better, but if I add healing, I've got to drop one.

I suppose I could try running protection, so I can be sure to get off my close-wounds when I need it.

Had to search down to page 7! This should be in the faq.

Pub 43 made these changes to evasion:

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# Evasion modifier to parry now scales with Bushido skill


* If the player has higher than GM Bushido, and at least GM Tactics and Anatomy, they get a bonus to their evasion modifier (10% bonus to the evasion modifier to parry NOT 10% to the final parry chance)
* Bonus modifier to parry range: (these are the ranges for the evasion modifier)
o 16-40% bonus w/o tactics/anatomy
o 42-50% bonus w/ GM+ bushido and GM tactics/anatomy

# Evasion duration now scales with Bushido skill

* If the player has higher than GM Bushido, and GM Tactics and Anatomy, they get a 1 second bonus
* Evasion duration range:
o 3-6 seconds w/o tactics/anatomy
o 6-7 seconds w/ GM+ Bushido and GM tactics/anatomy

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Nice work on the succubi. I did not have much time last night but I went ahead into the Proxy palace. The only thing I had trouble with was the putrifier. I had him almost redlined and he got me, i did not have anymore sacrifice rezzes left so by the time I got rezed back up (had to go to papua) he was at full health again and I did not have the motivation to do it again.

I made it harder on myself by rushing in there. I should of prepared the battlefield properly by luring all of the poison ellies and plauge beasts back to where the other 3 keys are commonly collected. And I'll prob have to hop on my laptop with my mage and make a safe spot for him to hide and rez me, when needed.

If I can get the putrifer all by himself, i know I can kill him. I'll play it safe and go toe to toe and then after a hit pull back, heal, joust a little and get perfection up on him, this technique works great for paragon balrons. I think getting the spleen from him is harder than proxy himself.

With a good one hander, orange pots and momentum strike i should be able to clear out his acid blobs. I know for a fact if I can get proxy all by himself I can beat him. I'll try and get around to it tonight. But for now, I enjoy the solo Dread Horns, did 2 more this morning http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

To get the vamp form, I had to drop my tactics to 45 and set necro at 55 (dont have all the leet necro gear yet). I dont notice that much of a difference in damage so it seems to be working fine. I fully recommend healing for the high level bosses. This evening, DH would of got me if I wasnt using aids as secondary healing (enhanced for 100). Good luck to you.

By dropping tactics you lose the evasion bonus. Does this not bother you because you rarely use evade (counterattack instead) or because you have so much DCI the reduced evade does not hurt you?

As to survivability generally I have found I really need to focus on pre-fight setup if I want to live. If I remember to honor, consecrate and cast divine fury before I begin attacking I am in great shape. But sometimes I forget and then I am behind the 8 ball the entire fight. I haven't played a dexxer in about 4 years so relearning the template takes some time in that I don't automatically default to dexxer mode.

One suggestion I have for people is counterattack rather than evade. If you are doing enough damage (i.e. over 80 damage) you will leech more damage than most can deal out particularly if you are getting 2 hits (i.e. leeching from over 150 damage). It worked much better than I would have expected.

Yep, I always run in vamp form. Midnight bracers and +30 from jewelry lets me vamp form using an arcane robe, then change back to normal equipment.

Evasion definitely got worse when I went from 110 to 40 tactics, but the damage output only dropped a bit. Healing was, indeed, very helpful and lets me use a bit less mana. However, I tried soloing the DF last night a few times, and got my hat handed to me consistently.

I'm beginning to think that the weapon choice needs to be reconsidered. I'm using an exiler (tetsubo) for the DF. I haven't tried the counter attack trick, but I'll give it a go.

[- Revenant -]

Im running something similar atm

115 Swords
120 Bushido
120 Parry
115 Tactics
80 Necro
80 SS
70 Chiv

Mostly run in vamp form but for bosses switch to wraith form for mana and use curse weapon for godly life leech. Biggest problem is actually gettin to the peerless or doom. I'm having lots of problems with the Bone Daemon, he just hits so often. Gonna pick up some fey leggings and get some more DCI on my jewellery. Using Mace n Shield , Stormgrip , RBC , Jackals. Gonna try and work some more DCI in there. I usually use a Blackthornes slayer against the Bone Daemon but this has to stop because I cant use evasion with it... Thats probably why I die so often to him.

[kettlewhistle78]

[quote I usually use a Blackthornes slayer against the Bone Daemon but this has to stop because I cant use evasion with it... Thats probably why I die so often to him.

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Why not?

[- Revenant -]

Its use best weapon skill for me, and you cant evade with a non skilled weapon.

Aye. I found that out the hard way yesterday. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/frown.gif

So, I'm now looking around for a fast, one handed macing weapon with HML, HLA, HLL, SSI, DI. It seems much easier to find uber swords weapons than uber macing weapons, which may mean a change of template to add swords.

I tried Dreadhorn last night and it was an unmitigated disaster.

I did fine against changelings and Gnaw (he was actually very easy to kill). Then I went to Spite or Guile and just could not get the job done. I was only hitting for about 45 points a strike which isn't enough to leech and stay alive. I tried it a few times and made sure to honor it and consecrate weapon, etc. - but I had no luck. I was using a battle axe with 54 mana leech, 45 hld, 15 ssi and 30ish damage increase.

I only had about 45 minutes to play so I may go back tonight and see what I can do differently. I need to figure out my lack of damage issue.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Patience is the key to the twisted weld. Lately, when I am key gathering, I will collect at least 2 of each key. As quiet as the swamp area can be, in a second it can get crazy.

I walk one step at a time and watch the names pop up on my screen. Irk, Guile, and Spite can be killed easy (one on one) with a weapon that is low physical dmg (for them I use the luminous rune blade or a rune blade with 44 HLD, FC 1, DI 47, HML 45). But if 2 of them jump in on the fight, I retreat back to the swoops because as pointed out, you cannot leech enough.

Sometimes I am lucky and Guile and Spite are far to the left and I can go right in and farm irk and both lady spiders for keys and other times I just can't get them out of the way (or after killing them repeatedly, they keep spawning in a bad spot). In that case I will embrace honor and go for the keys I need in that 5 mintute or so period.

Here is some pics of my DH battle last night. Pretty smooth sailing but you cannot get overconfident and let your guard down because in a second you can be off in a bad way. Takes about 17-20 good minutes to drop DH but its taxing because you have to be focused the whole time but looting his body is worth it in the end.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/Slide11.jpg


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/Slide22.jpg

I've been having the same problem with DF. I'm thinking of the following tricks.

1. curse weapon. This should improve HLL.
2. A faster one handed weapon with HLD, HLL, HML, HLA, SSI, DI or some combination in this priority order HML, SSI, HLA/HLD, DI, HLL. One hander should allow pot chugging for more healing/curing/dex/str.
3. Jousting.

[genuine_fake]

Yes, when I was looking through Macing weapons to use I considered the Exiler, but with no Mana leech I realized it couldn't ever work.

The problem I've been having with the DF is just staying alive... he hits me so hard and so fast, it doesnt matter if I'm leeching or not, he outdamages me. Without blood oath, he could drop me in 10 seconds. I don't know what I'm doing wrong either. I think HLD is a necessity, because if you miss 3 swings you're pretty much dead. The only way I could tank him was if a bard was discording him for me. I have to find a weapon with HLD, HML, SSI, and DI, and maybe get myself a pair of Mace and Shield Glasses.

The guy I have mentioned wears Mace and Shield Glasses and, get this, a full set of Assassin Armor! I guess since he uses slow Axes the Assassin Armor helps.

[- Revenant -]

Yeah you can use a mount in vamp form.

I actually prefer wraith form. Limitless mana pool. Using curse weapon at 100 ss it lasts for around 15 seconds. Every hit with curse weapon you life leech 50% of the damage guaranteed.

The biggest problem with wraith form is mobility. It takes a while to change out and summon your mount. Usually if you really need to run you're gonna die. And of course you dont get the damage reduction bonus of a swampy.

[Balian]

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Yeah you can use a mount in vamp form.

I actually prefer wraith form. Limitless mana pool. Using curse weapon at 100 ss it lasts for around 15 seconds. Every hit with curse weapon you life leech 50% of the damage guaranteed.

The biggest problem with wraith form is mobility. It takes a while to change out and summon your mount. Usually if you really need to run you're gonna die. And of course you dont get the damage reduction bonus of a swampy.

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Thank you for the reply!!

I have been messing around in wraith, and it works well ....slow as cold honey tho..... I really appreciate your reply because I have been working like a madman to get my necro high enough to cast VE and Im trying to get opinions if it is worth the skill point invested.

I still need 21.1 necro to cast VE

TY

[Phear]

Are you guys using 1 handed weapons for these battles or is it two handed only what is minimum mana leach do I need do I have to have maxed swing speed ?

[kytryl70]

What weapon did you use to do the dread horn?

[Balian]

Having no problems with Paragon succubus, no chiv on this char. Wooot

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Ornate axe:

25 ssi
40ish di
40ish hld
55 mana leech

It's darn hard finding macing weapons that good. I think it's time to stone my macing and work on swords.

I've been thinking the same thing. I have 120 swords stoned so it all depends on what I find for sale first: a heartwood runic saw or a +20 sword scroll.

http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif Found an ornate axe almost that good (better in some ways) in luna and bought it. I'm now training swords.

Its:
HML 30
HLD 32 - which combines with my glasses for 62
HLL 75 !!!
SSI 10 http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/frown.gif
DI 42

I'm only about 60 swords so far, but I'll be training it heavily.

I'm wondering if this level of HLL will let me run in wraith form rather than in vamp form. I'll give it a try once I get Elder swords or higher. 120 swords is pretty expensive on Atlantic.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

nice... i got two sweet ornates i pvp with: got them the first week ML went live back in 05. At the time they were both pre patch too.

30 ssi
46 mana
40 life
40 di
50 hit harm

46 hit lightning
25 ssi
45 hld
46 di
44 stamina

[Balian]

Hi,

I just found a nice radiant scim, it has hi ML, HLD, H dispel, SSI
I was thinking it would be good for whirlwind attack and to dispel the bad ass revs, do you know if it will dispel them?

I was in DOOM last night, had no trouble with the small bosses, but DF and the spawn messed me up (LL and REVS). So now I am looking for pest control weps, lol

Thanks

[Hyjinx]

For those of you running around in Vamp Form how are you getting around the HIt to your Fire resist? Are you even bothering to bring it up, or just focusing on Peerless with minimal fire attacks?

Baghdaddy, you still doing doom runs in Vamp Form? Peerless I can understand, but with that many necro casters down there without 60+ fire one corpse skin/FS combo would hit hard...a little too hard for my liking

[Stone Rat]

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Peerless I can understand, but with that many necro casters down there without 60+ fire one corpse skin/FS combo would hit hard...a little too hard for my liking

[/ QUOTE ]***While whipping out Hot Dogs and the Fixings for Smores*** Wooo Hooo! Where we gonna test it?

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I am still doing Doom runs along with my Peerless and yes I stay in Vamp form. I use high fire items ie: jackals and brightsight lenses. I really hated to put the helm of insight down but the brightsight seem to be working just fine. In Vamp form, my fire resist is 67. As far as corpse skin goes in Doom, I have enough parry and DCI that I am pretty successful at using remove curse.

I use a Darkwood suit on my Sami. It is 5 pieces Blood and 1 frost to give max resist across the board. I run in Vamp form and even with a corpse skin I only drop down to 69 fire and 63 poison. I also like to keep protection on for uninterupted chiv spells. With protect and a vet robe I'm remain at 68 phys. That suit also gives 10 HPR and 30 Dci. But you gotta be an elf http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Ya the loss of mana regen is a bit of pain but its not too bad. I tend to look for weapons that offer Mana Leech, SSI, and HLD. They must be able to be swung at the max rate so usually 3s is the cutoff, and only then if it has at least 20 SSI. It is a task to find the right weapon, but I know many peeps that can solo DH with no prob with this setup. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Ive even seen a record of 10 mins at DH solo.

Yes it is a lil hard to overcome, but for the more casual player I would say a Darkwood suit would be easier to come by than those Doom arties.

[Mythfeyrune]

Ive actualy had the same set up on the self for about a year i need to change some equipment and get a 120 parry and bush scroll to match ur set up but i think i can hows this axe sound to you. Ornate axe Manna leach 80 (once leace 50 manna on 1 hit) di 35 dci 9 hci 7? think i can have the same preformance as you with that axe.

Ps ive never done that kinda stuff cuz this was my first char and havnt played him sence i put him down all that time ago been playing about 29 months ^_^

[genuine_fake]

Myth, that mana leech is very nice, but the problem you're going to run into is swing speed. Without any SSI, ornate axes swing pretty slow. I think that even at 150 stamina with no SSI, you'll have a 2 second swing delay. When you get hit, your stamina is going to drop, and you'll have an even longer delay than that. When you're not swinging, you're not leeching health and mana.

If the weapon is fast, then I'd say mana leech and hit lower defense are really all you need. If the weapon is 3s or over, then you'll need swing speed increase as well as mana leech and hit lower defense.

Also wanted to update on my samurai status... it's not going too well. I got on Test to see if the difference between 115s and 120s was really that huge, and I must say that it was. I could stand up to the DF for a while, and I did notice a lot of difference. However, I got him about 1/5 dead and then I died... I'm thinking I just might not be very good at it. I might have to try a disco/provo tamer instead. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Yeah, Genuine is right. The key to running this template is keeping your swingspeed up. With macing and a titan's hammer, I can own any room in the citadel, even the mage room with 30+ mage/ninjas/assassins. However, if my swingspeed drops or I miss a critical DF, I'll go down fast.

That's why I'm not sure about my new ornate axe above. It's only 10 SSI, which may make it useless. On the good side tho, my stats will soon include 150 dex/stam, which I'll try to boost using blue/red pots.

The difference between 115/115 and 120/120 does not make sense to me but as you stated it really is significant. I know I mentioned it a few weeks ago but you pointing this out again is worth mentioning. The math doesn't make it significant, but in practice the difference is a lot more than 4% or whatever it suggests on paper.

I run a disco/provo/tamer for doom as well. It is a great template. The only reason I started making the template in this list was to try and do doom faster. It has been a fun part time distraction. My tamer can do all the rooms in about 20-30 minutes and the DF takes at least 30 minutes (some times over an hour).

I would make one of each and play them both.

[REEFHAWK1969]

I have been playing a Sammy for some time. I had resist instead of tactics. I do PVM with this character. I did not realize there was that big a difference in 120 Bushido / 120 Parry and 120 Bushido / 110 Parry. did not want to spend that much and was using the 10 points elsewhere. I bumped it up to 115 Parry when I first read this thread and with all the information provided lately, I have decided to take it to 120.

I have decided to change my Template to run as a Vamp. Template will have the skills like Baghdaddy1, except will have lower Necro and Higher Tactics. I am working on that now.

Right now, I use the Ring of the Vile and a bracelet with 14HCI and 25 DI, plus 3 other useful mods. I have been running with only the 5 DCI on quiver.

After reading this thread, I will change my Bracelet to have 11 HCI, 14 DCI and 15 DI and 2 mods. I do plan on wearing the Fey Legs for the 20 DCI. That will give me 39 DCI. Is that gonna be enough?

I would like to keep using the Ring of the Vile. Also, I was gonna wear the Mace and Shield Glasses for the HLD. My Ornate Axe does not have any, but I think is a nice Ornate Axe; SL 44 ML 57 HCI 13 SSI 30 DI 44. I also will use a Twinkling Scimitar; HLA 32 ML 47 HLD 38 LL 40 DCI 6 FC 1 DI 35. I swing both at 1.25 DPS. My sleeves have real high resist with MR 2 SR 1 LMC 4.


I am working his skills now. Raising Parry from 112 to 120, Necro to 45 and Tactics to 55. Shud have him completed this weekend, but really would like to know if he will be ok with the 39 DCI, only 6 from max.

Thanks for any input. Spanky

[Sang]

This post really sparked my interest, tryin to raise my skills up on my macer sammy. Found him some decent staves to use too. The question I have for Baghdaddy1 is have you ever tried a Stamina Regen Suit? With the added 15 SR from Vamp form...add in close to 24 SR from your suit and you dont even need divine fury! Its quite amazing...I havent fully experimented with it yet but besides the initial EoO, all I cast is CW during fights. Curse Weap from my necro/ss gives me heals and I can have both GM anat/tact without worrying about healing. My template looks like this:

120 macing/bushi/parry
100 tact/anat
70 chiv
50 ss
40 necro

My Curse Weapon lasts for 15 sec, and with Protection on, I recast without me losing any heal intervals. I've found FCR to be extremely useful b/c I can toggle Evasion/Curse Wep/Consecrate Wep very quickly. If you guys have a Stam Regen Suit, plz let me know how the full 24 SR works for you!

It would look something like:
Ornate Crown
Voice of the Fallen King
SR3 tunic
SR3 leggings
SR3 sleeves
SR3 gloves
Ring of Vile
DCI/FCR/DI Bracelet

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

39 DCI is fine. Your ornate is perfect. very nice mods (same for the twinkling scimitar).

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Never tried a stam regen suit. I mainly pvp and i've always been pleased with my suit and since it is artifact heavy, I am very reliant on my jewels and sleeves. Since my main weapons tend to be slow heavy hitting 2 handers, I also like the 10 SSI bonus I get from divine fury. But there is no doubt that stacking that much stam regen, you will have no problem in the stamina department.

[REEFHAWK1969]

Thanks for the response. I have to tell you, I have had my Template and had not changed it in sooooo long. The last thing I did was take Tactics off for Resist. I have nice weapons, jewels and armor and just never had any problem with monsters. I always had 120 Bushido / 110 Parry and it seemed to work. Did not want to spend the 8 mil gold for a 120. Well, after reading this thread, I have started changing my Template to look very much like yours. I am very happy with the results. Today, I took him out with 115 Parry in Vamp form. WOW. I could not beleive the difference and I only had 19 DCI. I finally found me a pair of human Fey Legs. Gonna get them. Now, I have to get me some Night Sight on my sleeves. I cant wait to go out with 120 Parry and the 39 DCI. I am at 118.1 Now.

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk about your adventures, your Template, Armor and how to.

[Keegan-ElF]

Pardon my ignorance in all this, but I thought you could only honor Players. How are you getting perfection again?

[GragusMortal]

Acutally, It's quite the opposite. You cannot Honor Players but you can Honor Monsters for the Perfection Bonus.

You used to be able to Honor ppl but they decided it was a PVP Imbalance and changed it.

[mjolnir131]

harness is the accual word for suit of armor here expaned to include jewlery and othere items and i saying MS and LS as his basic starigey he is probably using heavy speical moves to couse a greater amount of damage having weapons with 45 or better hit lighting or hit fireball is nice to

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

The crucial turning point in your battle against the Dread Horn was that you did not get to honor it. Just that difference alone is significant enough to effect the outcome. As soon as I teleport in, I immediately use my macro of invoke virtue (honor) and target the DH as soon as I can. If he blesses himself, I will run circles on the island until he heals up because having perfection going is too important.

As far as needing a heavier hitting weapon, try a talon bite on for size. With perfection and criticals, you will see some hits in the 160-200 range. Once you are low on mana, change to a nice one hander with mana leech to get your mana back (also to chug orange pots in the absence of healing). You are on the right track, keep it up. It is a matter of time before you get it down. Good luck. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[egglett]

I have to say after seeing your post Baghdaddy1,It made me (like alot of other ppl) decide to finnish my sammy. So i trained all my skills to 100+ I already had swords and tactics at 115 and thought id raise the rest just playing.So time for a quick trip to doom.There were 3 or 4 other ppl there which was a bit of luck as this char was no where near ready to solo anything.But on my 2nd round (3rd df) orni drops in my pack http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/tongue.gif so id like to thank you for your post hehe
http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I Glanced Through The Posts and I Don't Think Anyone Asked About It, But How Would You Say The Axe of The Heavens Does With A Sammy? Good or No? Obvious Downfall is No Leeches, but I'm Guessin the Thing Does Mad Damage, and The 15hci/15dci Probably Doesn't Hurt Either lol. Reason I'm Asking is I was Considering Buying One, I Seen It On A vendor For 1.75 M. I was Running With a Bokuto (20ML, 15DCI, FC1, 35SSi, 35 DI) But The Dmg Output Just Seemed So Low I Switched Back To My Soul Seeker Which Seems To Swing Just As Fast But Put Out More Dmg. I've Also Ran A Talon Bite as Stated, but That Just Seems So slow Compared To The Bokuto and Soul Seeker, lol. I Know I Want It All. lol. So Ne Word On The Axe Of The Heavens?

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Axe of the heavens is not bad at all. You can do some good whirlwind damage with it and of course the dci/hci mods with the 50 hit lighting is good too. You would just have to have a heavy mana leeching weapon to switch to so you can get mana back. As far as pvp goes: disarm, double strike 4tw.

Ok, I'm in good shape now, with 120 swords and a few good weapons (always looking for more!).

I'm wondering if you've done the other peerless yet? I'd think travesty would be easier than paroxymous, as would melisande. I wouldn't want to try Grizzle on a dexer of any kind tho.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

I have not had the time to try any other peerless yet. My work keeps me real busy. I did try a Shimmering a few weeks ago but I went in crunched on time and did not take the fight too seriously. The time I was in there fighting the Shimmering, it was pretty tough because I was constantly going through "embracing honor" because even with momentum strike, I was getting hit pretty hard and the additional glowing balls were not dropping quick. The fact that there is a rez point also helps so maybe in a few weeks I will get serious about it. I did not take a screen shot because I did not kill it but I got it down between 1/2 and 3/4 life.

Grizzle, you are right. Not worth the time. Travesty will prob be my next one cuz that is pretty easy. Melisande, maybe. Only thing that could damper things quick would be getting discorded but I am sure it would be feasible to lure one out at a time and deal with them.

[- Revenant -]

Theres actually a clip on youtube of a dexer soloing grizzle. Involves using wraith form and curse weapon.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Nice. When I get the time I will for sure look into that

Tried to solo trav, got my butt handed to me. Clearly, I need practice. Got her honored, max perfection, frequently getting those 180 hp hits, but I only got her down to 75% before she did me in. Wiped out my stamina and before I could do anything, I was down.

I'm good at getting the keys tho.

One of my guildmates said he almost soloed her. Her even claims to have gotten her down to spawn the ninjas. But timed out shortly after. I know he was using a Soul Seeker, so maybe if he had something hitting a bit harder he might have made it. The trick is to get her cornered in one of those real tight spots and hope she doesnt tele out. And be sure to embrace honor when she spawns the ninjas or it could get really hairy.

I didnt see him do it, but I have seen him solo DH and am fairly sure he wasnt lying about it. I know it'd be possible especially if proxy is soloable http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Trav's definitely solo'able; I just suck at healing. Need practice.

Allright fellas. You got me curious. Ive been thinking about doing some Peerless and Doom runs. Ive read all the posts. It looks fun and amazing. My question is for Croak and Big...

What are your guy's final temps and items after all the little tweaking. Im building a cahr now, but just need an idea where to go. So what are ya running at this moment?

Thanks in advance.

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Omni, right now I am running:

120 swords/parry/bushido
100 anatomy
90 heal
70 chiv
55 necro
45 tactics

major items are: jackals, brightsight, fey leggings, gauntlets, carapace. Just need some good HCI/DCI jewels and sleeves.

Thanks guys i apprieciate it. *gets to work on his new char*

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

As far as mana leech goes. I have never had a problem in PVM using my weapons. I use heavy hitting 2 handers (swords). If you are using fast fencing weapons then I can see why you are going through mana. In fact, when I took off the helm of insight my mana pool dropped to 50 something and I was very uncomfortable with it but even with mana that low, I have yet to run out of mana. Even if I do run out, all it takes is a couple hits with the ornate and then im at half and then a critical will go off and I will end up getting it all back.

The main reason I like vamp form is the constant life leech. The nox resistance is nice but I can do with out it personally. You are correct in your observation about getting poisoned and then just before the vamp form curing you, you waste a bandage. Normally it doesn't bother me but if it did, I got chiv for a close wounds or clense by fire. I parry so much that even with FC 0, I still can get them off with no problem.

I really like the sound of the wraith warrior. The points you discuss make sense to me. When I get some time off from work, I am going to take a look at that.

As far as your mana issue with the vamp warrior. I can't call it. At first i would say that fencing weapons simply do not pack the punch but with perfection running, it doesnt matter. Good luck to you

wow...reading your accomplishments truely inspires me and I will be looking at starting a template like yours to give it a try. Unfortunately....and sadly, my skill cap is only 700. Based off your template, how could I work mine to fit under the 700 cap and still have the possibility to be successful solo against DF's and DH?

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

With your skill cap, I would drop tactics to 25 and it should work good for you. Or you could drop heal and anat to 85.

[Yoshikuni]

So is the first poster saying a warrior with 115 parrying and 115 Bushido has no chance vs these monsters?

[imported_Baghdaddy1]

Someone with 115 parry/bushido absolutely has a chance vs. high end monsters. I just highly recommend 120s in parry/bushido/weapon skill. Personally, I can tell a big difference between 115 and 120.

[GragusMortal]

Ok I'm running the same temp as most of you guys but soulstoning the necro for higher in other places. My only problem is that with the Darkwood suit I'm using (it's the full 12 MR Darkwood suit) Once at DHorn he Curses and then gets me with his Depression special and I go down from 126 STR to 75(10 from losing the suit bonus) My Ring is HCI/DCI 12, STR 6, Energy 11(not needed) and my ring has Dex Bonus 5, HCI/DCI 11, LMC 5, Tactics +14. I use STR pots and usually don't have trouble. But Occasionally I will lose the pieces to my suit. Are there any other STR bonus items out there that anyone knows of?
My final stats are 126 STR, 131 Dex, 20 Int (40 mana) I don't run out of mana very often so that's not a problem and I tried switchin my suit out to get the resists I wanted but just wasn't happy with it's performance. I was using Mace and Shields, Jackals, Heart of the Lion, High Resist Sleeves, High Resist gloves, Leggings of Bane.

Guess my question is what is your final resists Bag? And do you feel that any resist isn't neccessary to have above 60? I've gathered my own information on this but would like to discuss it with others as I am always wanting to be a better player. I mean other creatures IE: Miasmas, Thrashers, Coil etc. are pushovers for this char but D-Horn gives me troubles sometime simply because of the higher str requirements on my suit. And until I can Solo D-Horn I'm not even going to try DF's


Oh and BTW if anyone has a Uber Ornate they aren't using with SSI,DI, HLD, and Mana Leech that wants to sell let me know because I'm willing to cross shard to get it. Currently I'm using Ornate Axe with 35 Mana Leech, FC 1, 25 SSI and 35 DI that I made with an Agapite Hammer.

[Gencore]

Depends on how much you're willing to pay :P

#1.
57% Mana Leech
85 Luck
30% SSI
39% DI

#2.
33% Mana Leech
38% Lower Defense
86% Luck
25% SSI
43% DI

[Balian]

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Depends on how much you're willing to pay :P

#1.
57% Mana Leech
85 Luck
30% SSI
39% DI

#2.
33% Mana Leech
38% Lower Defense
86% Luck
25% SSI
43% DI

[/ QUOTE ]

I am in Pac, interested, please PM me or reply with price. ty

[GragusMortal]

PM me with what you want for the second one and u still on Drach?http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gark]

Really great screenies! thanks for posting. I have been working on my ol chiv swordsman, with the idea of adding bushido. Im not used to it so taking the time to learn its in's and out's.
2 questions for a chiv/bushi peerless killer: drop tctics for bushi so i can keep focus... would this work.
Also... swords for good arty weps, or macing for heavier damage/speed ratio?

[Finegold_Reborn]

Thanks for the insightful posts Baghdaddy1, really appreciate it. This game has changed a lot from many years ago, and I'm trying to get up to speed... these posts help a lot.

I love playing a dexxer, and it appears that they got a lot of love with the bushido skill, and can now hold their own against big baddies just like tamers and bards can. *yay*

Here's the thing. I understand the 45/55 necro/tactics things... but I have resist on my template, and it's tough to soulstone it... really tough... http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also, seems that the Defence Chance Increase is a big part of staying alive. I don't have (m)any arti's... so am basically running with stuff I can make... although I do have some Fey leggings but i'll need to change to elf to use them... not too sure about that.

ANYWAY... enough rambling. Just wanted to say thanks, and would really appreciate any advice on my template...

Human
120 Mace
120 Parry
115 Bushido
100 Anatomy
100 Healing
100 Resist
60 Chiv

88 str
100 dex
47 int

[rolan69vw]

To tell you the truth, this thread has me drueling. hehe I quit UO for several Years, just to come back to a whole new game, weak. however, im gona soulstone resist for bush and try to follow ur footsteps. I got a couple questions.
1) Should I go elf, or human? Why?
2) what is your stat cap, how are your stats distributed, W/O equipment?
3) The other day I looted a +4 dex, 15hci, 14dci, 1fcr, 11sdi ring. you think this ring is missing anything?
Thats it for now. But ill sure be hopping in some tiome later. Thank you in advance for the input.

[rolan69vw]

Another two questions,
1) How can i train Bush/parry?
2) why only 90 healing, would have to drop 15 points to get there, kinda hurts me doinhg that since it took me so long to get there.

Thanks again. ttyl

parry use sheep.....bush a horse.
I am sure if you ask around you can figure it up....both can be taken to 115 in a few days each...MAX

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1) Should I go elf, or human? Why?
2) what is your stat cap, how are your stats distributed, W/O equipment?
3) The other day I looted a +4 dex, 15hci, 14dci, 1fcr, 11sdi ring. you think this ring is missing anything?

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1. I use elf for the Equipment (HCI DI Darkwood) and the extra 20 mana. I dont use weapon specials as much as I use Bush spells so Human wasnt helping out too much there.
2. 250 120 Str 118 Dex 17 Int, 138 Str 130 Dex 20 Int After Mods, 150 Str 150 Dex after Pots 138 Str is needed to wear a 95 Str suit to DH and not lose it inbetween str pots.
3. The only Major thing its missing is Damaga Increase. SDI is almost useless for a warrior. But without DI your losing possible life leech points from not doing as much dmg. I look for Braces with 10+ HCI 10+ DCI 20+ DMI and stats usually. The faster casting doesnt affect me either because I keep protect up for uninterupt chiv spells.

Thats just my thoughts, Im sure youll get a few others.

edit: Typos :P

[HD2300]

I cant kill Irk easily. Can someone please post their tips on how to kill it.

btw I love Total Refresh pots. Beats using divine fury and taking a -20 dci hit.

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The faster casting doesnt affect me either because I keep protect up for uninterupt chiv spells.


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Wow, I Can't Believe I Never Thought of That, lol. Geez. I Used to Look For the DI/HCI/DCI/FC/FCR Rings, but Finally Gave Up On It. For Some Reason I Never Thought Protection Worked for Chiv. Sweet, Im'a Have to Try That. It Will Make Healing ALOT Easier/Safer in Tight Spots. (even though I gotta figure out why my damn bandageself macro wont work).

[Balian]

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1) Should I go elf, or human? Why?
2) what is your stat cap, how are your stats distributed, W/O equipment?
3) The other day I looted a +4 dex, 15hci, 14dci, 1fcr, 11sdi ring. you think this ring is missing anything?

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1. I use elf for the Equipment (HCI DI Darkwood) and the extra 20 mana. I dont use weapon specials as much as I use Bush spells so Human wasnt helping out too much there.
2. 250 120 Str 118 Dex 17 Int, 138 Str 130 Dex 20 Int After Mods, 150 Str 150 Dex after Pots 138 Str is needed to wear a 95 Str suit to DH and not lose it inbetween str pots.
3. The only Major thing its missing is Damaga Increase. SDI is almost useless for a warrior. But without DI your losing possible life leech points from not doing as much dmg. I look for Braces with 10+ HCI 10+ DCI 20+ DMI and stats usually. The faster casting doesnt affect me either because I keep protect up for uninterupt chiv spells.

Thats just my thoughts, Im sure youll get a few others.

edit: Typos :P

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Sry for dumb question, I dont play any mages actively. is that Protection the one that changes your resists? Does it last until it is re cast upon hte target again?

Lasts untill recast. Gives -15 Physical Resist -25 Resist Spells Max of -2 fc/fcr with max of 2 (i think) but gives Uninterupted casting. It knocks my resist down to 63 but with a vet robe I'm at 66. 4 points in phys is well worth being able to heal or cleanse anytime while freeing up jewelry mods.

only effects FC not fcr...
But it does drop fc by -2....so if you are zero fc you are now -2 fc...very slow!
Personally I just hated losing the phys resist and the Resist spells!

[imported_Jimmy Pop]

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Personally I just hated losing the phys resist and the Resist spells!

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Wraith form gives +15 Physical http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sorry, I realize this is a Vamp thread.... I'll retreat back to the shadows....

[anubis_NDC]

How do you get the massive amount of damage? I usually end up with about 60 with the axe and 40 for soulseeker (both unbuffed except honour)?

well buff the heck out of them.......honour monster...cast CW..cast EoO use LS for criticals. My normal damage is anywhere between 100 and 198. The tougher the monster the longer I attack it...the higher the numbers get....or so it seems.
Only broken 200 once. But I am routinely doing between 150 and 190.

[anubis_NDC]

Buffed I am lucky if I get over 120 including all the above, usually I honour, CW and EOO (depending on what is about) and LS. Damage increases over time. Tacs is 100 anat 105 STR 138

the only thing left I can think of is the weapon...ornate axe with 35 or 45 % damage increase. Oh and your Damage increase of you suit, talismen etc.
Primer of arms had DI as does my rings and braclet.

My damage increase is about 75%
My base damage on my status window says 58-64...so when I am up over 150 it is all bonuses.
hope this helps
TW

[imported_silent]

This is great info, I'm a professed bushido newbie. Why wouldn't you use a one handed weapon and get the advantage of dci/hci on a shield?

[genuine_fake]

If you have Bushido, you Parry with your weapon. Using a shield, you have something like a 5% chance to parry at 120/120 if I remember correctly.

Not getting the bonus of a shield is one of the drawbacks of Bushido. But, if you use a 1 handed weapon, you can also drink potions. 1 handed weapons have a smaller chance of parrying than 2 handed, but the difference is not that great. At 120/120, the chance with 2 handed is 40% and with 1 handed is 35%. Of course, if you factor in the parry chances after evasion, I guess it would be 60% and 52.5%, so the difference might be more noticeable.

A little update on my samurai: not being used too much at the moment, I'm still trying to find a good weapon and cheap 120 scrolls. If anybody has a weapon with 50 lower attack, 50 lower def, 50 mana leech, 50 life leech, 30 or so SSI, and 35 damage increase that they'd like to give away, PM me. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[imported_silent]

Thanks for the info. I guess I'm currently in the tweener stage my bush is only at 60 and rising my parry is gm so if I go shieldless I'm still getting beat on so I'm still using a shield. I wonder at what point I should drop the shield?

drop it now if you want to ever parry anything....add dci to cap ( 45)

[popps]

Baghdaddy1 wrote:

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120 swords
120 parry
120 bushido
100 tactics
100 anatomy
90 healing
70 chiv

helm of insight
gauntlets of nobility
jackals collar
rune beetle carapace
fey leggings
high resist mana regen 2 sleeves
ring, 13 HCI/DCI, resists
brace 12 HCI/ 10 DCI, 7 LMC, resists
5 DCI quiver
primer on arms talisman
crimson

stats with gear on:
str- 130 hit points
dex- 145
int- 78

lowest resist is 63 and highest is 66, 48 DCI, 30 lmc, 7 mana regen, 40 DI (minus weapon), for weapons, I prefer ornates with ssi, mana leech, hld at the minimum.

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What weapons/modifiers you use mostly with this template ?

Departed, this is the post I was refferring to...consider it bumped

[Departed]

Bump

tidE: I bumped this before I got to the last page an saw your comment Timberwolf

[mike8756]

Bumped for posterity

[GuitarStrings129]

would you ever consider using a waraxe if say you could switch swords for mace for a day?
I have a waraxe -
50ML
15HCI
25SSI
50 DI

that seems perfect for this kind of template.

along with a diamond mace
40ML
43HLD
15DCI
25SSI

[Silver-S-]

I am still trying to figure out whether I am going to do the 120 Sword/Bush/Parry route with 25 tact or do the all 120s template I just cant decide.

120 Bushido
120 Parry
120 Swords
120 Anatomy
120 Tactics
70 Chiv
30 Necro

I think that is the template, I would think it would generate enough damage to leech and stay healed and still be able to use close wounds. I have been trying to put together an assassin suit but it is just too hard nobody sells the gloves/legs or has them so I might go with the first template.

I just bought this axe, can anyone give me a price check on it and tell me how well it is going to work?

Axe
Fireball 46
HML 63
HLD 40
HCI 12
DI 49

It has no swing speed but its a 3s wep is that fast enough for the template?

[mjolnir131]

no it needs ssi; everything needs ssi even 2 seond weapons becouse if you get hit your stam drops

i would price it in the 1 to 5 k range maybe

the gametime is to important to sue a slow weapon i mean even at 150 stam your still going to swing near every other second thats just to long a time between swings

[Silver-S-]

1-5k lol..

[Zalan]

He is rigth about SSI, &amp; another problem is the Fireball. Fireball is good for figthing mages in PvP, but bad for PvM. Reson being it makes you stop running or moving when it goese off.

[mjolnir131]

and it's way to slow for pvp

[mjolnir131]

and if you think it's accually worth more your the reason most vendors carry crap these days couse they don't have to sell the good stuff to make money

[Silver-S-]

well Stratics is right you are a Babbling Loonie

If you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all

[Departed]

This post should be stickied IMO...

Well, It's definitely worth more than 5k, but probably less than 100k. Without SSI, it's not going to be very useul in pvp or pvm. Still, it's better than average loot.

The reason vendors carry lots of overpriced crap these days is because with the gold dupes, anything that's really good will command it's own price, and sell instantly.

[mjolnir131]

no your confuising what it's worth with what you can get a gimp to buy it for

and no it's very average loot 3 really nice mods without any ssi i see it all the time its not unlike what you see on the ground at NH

[Silver-S-]

just sold the wep for 20mil btw so it looks like im buying an Ornate with SSI on it!!! ICQ me @ 82568339 if you have a good one.

[Balian]

Please give me the blokes icq, the one who bought for 20 mill, i got about 250 weps better than that that I would transfer over to his shard for him to buy....20 mill for all lol

[mjolnir131]

oh gods P.T barnum was correct there is one born every minute and it appears they all play UO

All I can say is - wow.

[mjolnir131]

jimmy i'm torn between thinking he's BSing and wanting to belive that i can put even greater crap on my vendor and sell it for even more gold
i already bring to much garbage home to sell

[Silver-S-]

plz meet me in game and sell me your weapons that you dont want my ICQ is 82568339

I am interested in buying all of your "junk weps"

[mjolnir131]

ahh ok your wear right jimmy my bad damn

[Silver-S-]

I would like to personally apologize to everyone else who reads this thread. This thread is a great thread and a couple unknowledgeable people had to go and ruin it at the end here. I think they were unaware that with 150 dex and the wep being a 3s wep the wep would end up being 1.5s which I would certainly consider a fast weapon and would not be required to have SSI.

Anyway, please stop ruining the thread and if you dont believe me go see Collia at the Atlantic Brit bank who now reselling the wep and has a bidder for 30mil. And since you two have called me stupid and a liar. Maybe your the stupid one for holding onto 250 of those weps that you think are "better" than this one. Looks like your missing out on about 5 billion in game gold there. =/ Whos smart now...

[mjolnir131]

your so right about somebody trying to derail this trhead and be nastry and guess who it was .............


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well Stratics is right you are a Babbling Loonie

If you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all

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[Silver-S-]

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and if you think it's accually worth more your the reason most vendors carry crap these days couse they don't have to sell the good stuff to make money

[/ QUOTE ]

gosh maybe I should quote your offensive statement right before mine? just go away....

[mjolnir131]

thats offencive ........oh ok ....que theme song to dark shadows

[imported_Jimmy Pop]

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1. Figure out Weapon Base speed in ticks. Take whatever speed in seconds your weapon says on the tooltip and multiply that number by 4. If you are barehanded, you swing at the fastest weapon rate (10 ticks = 2.5 seconds). Example: The Halberd (4.25 second base speed) has a base speed of 17 ticks.
2. Figure out Stamina Ticks (Current Stamina / 30). Example: Current Stamina = 50. So Stamina Ticks rounded down = 1.
3. Figure out Swing Speed Increase modifier from equipment. Example: 20.

Here is the formula:
a. Hit Start = ((Base Weapon Speed - Stamina Ticks) * (100.0 / (100 + Swing Speed Increase)))
ex. Hit Start = ((17 - 1) * (100.0 / (100 + 20)))
c. Make sure minimum swing time is never less than 5 ticks (1.25 seconds).
ex. The calculated Halberd Hit Start speed = 13 ticks (3.25 seconds)

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1. Axe = 3s * 4 = 12 Ticks
2. Stamina = 150 / 30 = 5 Ticks
3. SSI 0

((12 - 5) * (100 / ( 100 + 0))) = Hit Start
( 7 ) * ( 1 )
7 / 4 = 1.75

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I think they were unaware that with 150 dex and the wep being a 3s wep the wep would end up being 1.5s

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But you were really close.... just unaware of the actual numbers.

[Silver-S-]

atleast we are learning something here =) I just wish you would stop pming me that im a liar and then we could actually be friends!

[Eoin Smithson]

So, after reading this thread I've decided to go ahead and shamelessly copy you guys for my Sammy... http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/wink.gif This is what I've got right now (obviously still working on it!)

Any suggestions, hints or tips to help an old-timer/newbie?

STR: 109
DEX: 140
INT: 38
Skillcap: 250

HP: 120
Stamina: 140
Mana: 63

Resists:
Physical: 70
Fire: 70
Cold: 70
Poison: 65
Energy: 70

Skills:
Anatomy: 110
Bushido: 105
Chiv: 90
Healing: 100
Parry: 85
Swords: 110
Tactics: 110

Equipment:
Helm of Insight
Jackals Collar
Quiver of Infinity
Crimson Cincture
Robe of the Eclipse
Rune Beetle Carapace
Gauntlets of Nobility
Fey Leggings (Human)
Horned Leather Sleeves
Ring of the Elements
Bracelet: FCR2, Physical Resist 13%, Fire 14%, enhance pots 25%

Library Talisman - Primer on Arms Damage Removal
Charger of the Fallen

Weapon (for now) is either Talon Bite
or Flesh Ripper with the Shield of Invulnerability

Mods (without weapon)
Mana Increase 25
Mana Regen 6
Lower Mana Cost 23%
Hit Point Increase 8
Hit Point Regen 6
Faster Cast Recovery 2
Defense Chance Increase 25%
Damage Increase 20%
Luck: 295

[genuine_fake]

For one, drop the shield of invulnerability. That cuts your parry chance down to like 5% or less. With Bushido, you parry with your weapon.

Also, it looks like when you built your suit you were focused on mana regeneration. You need to try to get more DCI and DI in there. LMC is always great. Mana leech, not mana regen, will be your main source of mana.

Your skills look pretty good. Most people prefer to lower Chivalry to fit more points into other vital skills. At 70 or so Chivalry you will cast Consecrate, Sacred Journey, Divine Fury, Cleanse by Fire, and Close Wounds just fine, and Enemy of One will succeed often enough. Since it lasts so long at high karma levels it isn't as necessary to cast EoO on the first try. Your Parry is a bit low, so I advise taking 20 out of Chiv and putting it into Parry. Swords, Bushido, and Parry should have priority for scrolling (if you can afford it, that is, since they're all pretty expensive).

I saw your post in the Chessy forums looking for a nice ornate. I'm on Chessy too, and if I find a decent swords weapon (you need to get something better than those two weapons) I'll tell you. Feel free to private message me if you need anything else or have questions.

[uotrunks]

I coped his temp to and its not ez to play as most ppl think. I can do the guant and df, chief, para cus, para lich lords, para succbus fine but for the life of me i cant take down dh. It still can be done I seen a macer take him down on pac last week. Any one have any advice my temp is...

Swords 115
Parry 120
Bushido 120
Anat 100
Chiv 70
necro 35
Healing 79 (90 with jewlery)
tactics 66 (78 with jewlery)

Str 116 Dex 149 int 25
hp 124 stam 164 mana 55

rbc , fey legs, mace and shield glass's , high resest gorget sleeves and gloves

suit comes to in vamp form 70/68/70/68/75
mr 5 , lmc 18 , dci 51 , di 20 , stam 15 , hld 30

weapon ornate axe
22 stam leech
62 mana leech
30 ssi
31 di
and a silly 36 luck

And the problem I have is I will go in and things will be going ok then all the sudden he gets moody and I die happens every time. He will poison then get a crap load of lucky hits even with evasion runing and if I try to run and heal He chain casts flame strike and I fall over dead. I dont have this problem with any thing else just dh. If any one has a chr on pac that solos dh and wouldnt mind pm me when they go and if I could stand out side and just watch or if any one has any info I would love it. My goal is to kill it before the nerf this is the only thing that I spam evasion for any ways and still die.

[mjolnir131]

well chiv at 90 is either a waist or not enough depending 85 is no fail for devine fury and 95 is no fail for dispel evil so either drop it 5 or raise it 5 would be my critque and i would say drop 5, dispel evil is good for an archer not so good for a dexer using leach weapons

[mjolnir131]

do you happen to know what kind of mace was being used? possably a special move was helping that your sword does not have?

yea that lp is a pain you almost can't run when it hits you have to leach threw it maybe use confidence at that point to keep the hp going up waiting for the cure to hit or have a freind take and spar so you can practuse hitting your cleans by fire button till it becouse automatic when you hear the posioning sound

[uotrunks]

He was useing a Diamond mace. And its not realy the posion that gets me its the time I take to deal with the poison with it be cleans , swiching weapons to cure or just useing bandages and leeching through it. It all was seems like right after the posion he just does a insane mana dump and every thing hits. drives me insane. Guess will just keep at it I know it can be done so just something else to lose hair over. One try I got in honored him and 2 secounds I was down had evasion up ls rdy and I targeted him to attack then I died.

[imported_silent]

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I try to run and heal

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By running away you're losing your vamp leech and I don't think healing alone will save you since it's likely your stam has been beat down as well, so slower heals. I hate to give the AI credit but in my experience when I run from any magic caster they instinctively mana dump on me. Maybe it's my bad luck.

[uotrunks]

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I hate to give the AI credit but in my experience when I run from any magic caster they instinctively mana dump on me. Maybe it's my bad luck.

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That all ways happens to me its why I stop runing from casters any more its do or die(inless im useing a 1 handed weapon pots ftw). Im thinking of swiching to mace to try diamond mace just for the 1 hand so I can chug heal pots to try to off set that dumb mana dump. I use a twinkiling scim on df and I just dont see 90-100 crits being abel to heal me with dh. Has any one done dh with a lower damage weapon not a ornate?

RTLFC

Lets just all keep this threade nice. I would rather not have to butcher it and quite possibly lose some good info.

Oh.... and stickied.

[imported_silent]

Woohoo we're sticky!!!! http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Well I havent personally but I have watched a guildy use a Twinkling Scimitar and do it. It did take longer than normal but they did do it.

[genuine_fake]

uotrunks, your setup is just fine. Your suit is definitely not the problem. I would say try to get 2% more LMC (it's been mentioned quite a bit that LMC is just better for us in increments of 20) but you have so much mana leech on your axe that it shouldn't be a problem.

The only advice I can give is don't panic. If you run from him, even just a little bit, your leech is not helping any. Keep evasion up, always use LS, make sure to honor, and you should do just fine. Sometimes he gets lucky with a melee hit and dumps all his mana. He isn't very likely to do it over and over. How many times have you tried to solo him?

Also, your only HLD is on your glasses, and you have 115 swords, so it might be that you aren't building up the momentum fast enough in the beginning that you so desperately need. Just pray the 30% kicks in fast enough, and once it does, I think you'll be okay.

[moratha]

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weapon ornate axe
22 stam leech
62 mana leech
30 ssi
31 di
and a silly 36 luck



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I know exactly how insanely hard it is to find a good weapon, so I feel bad for saying this. But I would look for a weapon with 40+ di, 25-30 ssi, and at least 60 life/mana leech. The stamina isn't a problem with Divine Fury.

I've done a hundred lockbox quests over the weekend, and I have as of yet to find a good weapon, however I did get an ornate with 70 life 62 mana 48 stamina 42 lighting. (no ssi or di) http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/frown.gif without the DI or SSI I hit slower, however I no longer use aides.

[egglett]

Woot
about time this was a sticky
hehe http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Bill Brasky]

trunks, are you riding a bonded exy armored swampy so you take 20% less damage? That could be your problem.

[mjolnir131]

yea proxys only gives you 10%

[Rockduck]

Is there any sense to drop the Tactics totaly for Necro? So if the build in the end would be something like:

120 Swords
120 Parry
120 Bushido
100 Anatomy
100 Necro
90 Healing
and rest to chiv.

How much Necro you actually need to cast even the Vamp form. Or is this build still working?

[uotrunks]

I have a ex swampy sorry for the delay on responding.

And as for this temp yea still works just takes more work. The changes were more annoying than any thing. And as for droping tactics realy matters what you want to do like soloing df it can be done with out ww but its just alot more work. And there isnt much reason to have your necro that high with out ss because all you will realy be casting is vamp form and any thing else you would want to cast needs ss.

[kraken11]

First, I would like to say how helpful everyone's comments have been. So thank you for posting your comments and views.
Second, I was hoping for some clairification on a few issues such as: where is the information located that says that paroxysmus` swamp dragon gives only a 10% damage reduction bonus versus PvM and not 20% like exceptional armor crafted by a GM smith? Is it now pointless to have HCI items since lightning strike adds 50 HCI if you are building a pure PvM warrior would you only need DCI? And lastly since the changes to evasion is there any point in using evasion or is everyone using counter attack . . . also it is stated here that GM anatomy is needed for evasion bonus if you have 65 anatomy would you gain any bonus to evasion?

[Balian]

what are the desireable mods that you look for on arms and gloves, if you are not using storm grips?

MR?
HPI?
RFD?


thanks

[sean_lo]

Could you uber samurais please post your gear? I'm quite curious to the total resists on your sleeves/gloves/legs and your jewelry stats. Don't be shy. Please. http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/shared/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GalenKnighthawke]

Is this still possible since the nerfs to the leaches, Evasion, apples, etc?

-Galen's player

[Baghdaddy1]

Very much so......

[Connor_Graham]

what are the desireable mods that you look for on arms and gloves, if you are not using storm grips?

MR?
HPI?
RFD?


thanks

Mana Regen & Stamina Increase would be #1 & #2 to look for. After that Mana Increase.

[spadektf]

I finally did some template altering after 2 plus years. I went ahead and stoned my gm tactics and replaced it with 45 tactics and 55 necro to give vamp form a shot. I was getting real envious reading how everyone enjoyed it.

I go down to the gauntlet and was simply amazed. The damage output was a little bit lower but I was still getting criticals for 180ish rather than 220ish but IMHO, the benefit of the life leech in itself is worth the vamp form. I found that it took me much less time to kill the DF (did not die) and I actually welcomed the spawn as you can see by the screenie. The hits I was scoring with momentum strike and whirlwind kept me near full health.

I was impressed to say the least and look forward to going back down there. The rest of the bosses were an absolute joke. I killed the darknight creeper so fast that 2 fleshies spawned (i dont know, i was alone and I'm not sure what made the other fleshie spawn) and at first I though I bit off more than I could chew but with the life leech and confidence, momentum strike 4tw. I wish I grabbed a screenie of that.

Sadly, I have been soloing doom all week and haven't got nothing. lol, thats how it goes I guess. Just got to find some bracers and trade my taming mark for the necro one.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Vince_N/dmg3.jpg



Im new to uo nd i was reading through these forums nd your template caught my eye. so i started building my char. but when i went nd bought a necro spellbook i looked through it nd saw that u need a min skill of 99 for vamp form... just wondering how it is possible for you to do it with 55?

[drawn]

u need to get +necro items- midnight bracers give you 20, ossian griimore 10, bloodwood spirt 5, jewels 30. 65 total.

[drawn]

template:

120 mace
120 tactics
120 bushido
120 parry
120 anatomy
70 chivalry
50 necro

one handed mace with:

46 mana leech
46 lightning
48 hit physical area
14 hci
25 ssi
40 DI

i can do alright against the DF or any other melee type fighter.

I cant do a THING against lady mel though am I missing something?

suit IN vamp form-

70-62-68-70-51 48 hci - 39 DCI - 93 DI

any suggestions on what to change? do I need healing? If so, what skill do i need to drop?

[drawn]

i kept the same template but switched to Katrina's Crook for the mana/life/stam leech. Plus as a 2 handed weapon it works better for parry and evasion chances.

What would be easier to do? Parox / DH / Travesty with this template? I realize that against mega spellcasters like a Lady Mel this is almost impossible...

[Baghdaddy1]

Long time no see Drawn. :)

To answer your question, DH and Paroxy are both pretty simple so i would recommend going after them. Once you get on Legends, I will show you exactly how to do it. :)

[drawn]

hey bud! Back after almost a 2 yr break. got an account and I am looking to make it back to Legends :D Is Katrina's Crook any good? It works for me right now as it is almost like a Soul Seeker with better leeches. I have np with miasma's but swoops I whiff alot even with lightning strike. I have 44 HCI as well :( Am I doing something wrong?:coco:

[Connor_Graham]

Swoop was buffed while you were gone. Skill levels, HP's, and barding difficulty were all increased. He's a tough old bird now, which is why you rarely see anyone except tamers there now.

[Snuggleray]

Will this template be dead after they put in the Necro nerf or do any of you guys think that it will still be playable? I'm currently not playing but I was sad when I read about it, lots of good memories on this guy.

[Diomedes Artega]

Will this template be dead after they put in the Necro nerf or do any of you guys think that it will still be playable? I'm currently not playing but I was sad when I read about it, lots of good memories on this guy.

I never really was big on the template. I had tinkered with it. Not to say I wanted it to go away. I use this template and have for the past 5 years. Can solo anything but the peerless, balron paragon, and ancient wyrm paragon. Everything else is dust.

120 Weapon
120 Parry
120 Anatomy
90 Tactics
120 Resist
90 Healing
60 Chivalry

Stats: 45 DCI/45 HCI LMC 38%, 147 HP, 150 DEX. Have jewelry w +11 tactics and + 10 chivalry to help boost stats. Anything 3/3 Casting and above will work. Use slayer weapons with mana leech whenever possible. Can supplement an ecru ring to be even tougher.

Everything from named monsters to Doom bosses die. All the room bosses are easily dispatched of...minutes of work if that. Dark Father takes considerably longer though. Have to swap slayers out as needed with mana leech on them to use whirlwind to dispatch the spawn. Hit and run tactics are needed at times against Dark Father. BUT, when you are hitting for over 120+ a hit on him that helps...

You can cycle 3 to 5 GOOD hits in on him. Run when needed...stay around the teleportal.

The template sounds simple, but you have to have:

1. Knowledge of monsters and their weakness. i.e. slayer or if they have a weak resist if they are not slayer prone.

2. HAVE to have heavy based mana leech weapons. This means the best of the best weapons with all 40+'s and DI of at least 40 on them. Should ideally have stamina leech as well.

3. More than 30 HCI and 30 DCI to be effective on tough mobs.

4. Knowledge of when to use EoO or not. EoO will kill you on this template used in the wrong place.

5. Good weapon swap out macros. Can't cut corners here.

6. Have to ideally carry several weapons on you at all times. Even for PvP.

7. This template is HEAVY item based and HEAVY MANA based. You won't be able to efficiently pull it off without great weaponry, armor and tactics.

This template can also be a handful in the PvP battlefield. In the old days you could swap out the tactics when you PvM for poisoning to PvP. Everything was at your mercy except hybrid templates which can be a handful depending on the skill of the player.

The template is defensive in nature in comparison to a pure samurai template (tactics + anatomy). So, if you're looking for a completely offensive template, this is not it.

[EDA_GL]

Tactics is extremely over-rated!!!:scholar:
20:
anat
bush
parry
weapon
85:
healing
100:
necro
55:
chiv

Haven't done doom on this template, as I can solo on my provo/disco/tamer.

Still get the LL from normal hits, crits dont max out like they should...but max is 150 with this template with 101% di. Suit resists: 63/63/70/64/61
Best weapon is HLA, HML, HSL (hit lower attack, mana, stam leech)
Able to stay in vamp form for LL ability, and bandaids for secondary healing/curing powers.

[TimberWolf]

Hi guys, I use to run this sammy template but when they nerfed evasion I went in another direction...

I still have a sweet ornate axe and all the artifacts...I will post my exact template later...I just want to know is this still viable ( 2009) for solo pvm and most pvp with an ornate axe?

[Connor_Graham]

.I just want to know is this still viable ( 2009) for solo pvm and most pvp with an ornate axe?

Not without having minimum 99 Necro in the template.