Regarding the Sunday event

[Trish]

Two years. Well, more than that, but as far as any Stratics records can be seen, we have been doing these runs for two years on Sundays. In the beginning, there was considerably less people. There were so few of us we could all talk to each other, guaranteed. We were all adults and we all cooperated well with each other. We would gather, split without a leader (per say), be there on time, be there for subsequent runs on time, etc. We would orgnanize sync dances, take group pictures, and so on. We were a family and toon life was good. Back then, we were a portal; a small stem off of Stratics Central. Our job was to prove we could write the guides and build the community. We did so, and became an instance of our own, where we were in even more control of our site and community. That is when the majority of you entered the picture, whether it was 18 months ago or two months ago.

Flash forward... We now look more like a smaller version of the CCG, where everyone expects help instead of appreciates it. Where personal agendas precede what's best for the group. Where we leave the team if we don't get our way. Where we demand to be grouped with friends and refuse to play if we don't get our way. Where we shuffle on the groups to get with friends. Where we fight even when what we're trying to do is help get a win for someone who lost earlier. Where we criticize instead of nudging in the right directions. Where a joke is taken seriously because of all the tension between us.

I called it growing pains a few months ago. But things just aren't getting better. I LIKED.. LOVED Sundays. Now it's a chore. After pulling my hair out trying to get groups together, I get nothing but whispers and YIMs about who's doing what badly on another run, and can't enjoy my own run. People show up late and get angry they were left behind because of it. And every week, it seems we have someone there intentionally trying to grief us. I am simply not having any fun anymore. Because of this week and how it's going so far, I asked for relief one Sunday, and what did I hear? "No way, that stressed me out last time I helped". I'm not being critical, I understand! Because that's how I feel!!

I'm listening to the suggestions in the CJ forum and this is how I propose things change. VP is self-policed with the Hollies with maxed gags on the left, unmaxed gags/non-Hollies/ubers on the right. While we have more revenge runs, it is must less stressful to organize. CJ: The majority wants to load left for experience, right for uncertainty. Personally, the CJ has never been a problem for us, but this would make things less stressful, so I'm all for it. And, along the same lines, I propose we do the same with the CFO. Craners on the left, stompers on the right, line up on the stairs of your appropriate side by the order you entered, and load 4/4.

I'm willing to listen to anything y'all have to say on the matter, but to be honest, if something doesn't change, I won't be the one leading anymore. I have a full time job already.

[Elga]

I also agree this needs to remain "fun". I admit, while I did a good job last time I sorted, it was the most stressful thing I had to do. I couldn't take people running around, teleporting, coming late, and then trying to get certain people in certain groups. It wasn't fun at all. It may look like because it's a Stratics run, a Stratics staff member has to control everything. That turns it into a job when we are all players as well. Let's just go with the flow and have a good time. If it goes sour, we can do revenge runs like we have been.

[Holocog]

Im pretty sure this wont work but-
What If we could have Maybe 1 or 2 premade groups. Those groups would already know their members, saving Trish the trouble. the groups should be people who trust each other and can win. then Someone just has to say Group #1 go... Yada yada. Well not the best of Ideas but, theres one:danceb:

[soupandquackers]

Even if everyone you try to group know each other, THERE WILL BE RANDOMS so getting on with each other would still be difficult. Trish, if u want a break for sunday go for it! Taking one sunday off shouldn't hurt anybodys feelings. I think we all need a break if you know what i mean with all the angry posts lately.<--I include myself with this.

[susan4633]

loading in premade groups isn't going to work either since then it appears cliquee(or however u spell it).

this is supposed to be fun and having people pop in and out is confusing. i only got a taste last night of what trish deals with every week. and because we didn't know who was coming and who wasn't we were all over the place.
(even tping into nutty river and then back)


so lets try the left / right loads. if we go sad, we live to fight another day.

[Hile]

I feel for Trish. It's a thankless job. Technically I should be a back up for Trish, but I absolutely refuse. I just can't put up with what she does. Reminds me too much of the garbage I put up with running a guild on Everquest. All the special requests are too much.

If you're going to show up for the run, show up for the run and go with who you are told to go with. Check your complaints and special requests at the door. If you want to go with your friends, then just go with your friends outside of the run. You don't need the Stratics run to do it. If you show up late, you should understand you probably won't be able to go. Deal with it and try making it on time next run.

If the run goes bad, oh well. See if anybody is up for a revenge run. If not, try again next week and don't cry about it.

Stop barraging Trish with everything. It's just too much for one person to handle now.

If it was me, I'd just say "Let's go" and start filling the elevators and forget about making groups. That's pretty much what CCG does and a lot less headache. Toontown isn't worth the stress.

[SSniffleslam]

I feel for Trish. It's a thankless job. Technically I should be a back up for Trish, but I absolutely refuse. I just can't put up with what she does. Reminds me too much of the garbage I put up with running a guild on Everquest. All the special requests are too much.

If you're going to show up for the run, show up for the run and go with who you are told to go with. Check your complaints and special requests at the door. If you want to go with your friends, then just go with your friends outside of the run. You don't need the Stratics run to do it. If you show up late, you should understand you probably won't be able to go. Deal with it and try making it on time next run.

If the run goes bad, oh well. See if anybody is up for a revenge run. If not, try again next week and don't cry about it.

Stop barraging Trish with everything. It's just too much for one person to handle now.

If it was me, I'd just say "Let's go" and start filling the elevators and forget about making groups. That's pretty much what CCG does and a lot less headache. Toontown isn't worth the stress.


Can we get an AMEN for that one??? I am in total agreement, and I never care who I go with, and I've not gone sad yet.

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

I completely agree with Trish. This is supposed to be fun not a streesed out JOB. No one gets paid to organize or any of that. I's not fair to Demand or expect them to make you, me or anyone happy all the time. Trish has always had my upmost respect. (however you spell it) She goes above and beyond the call of duty trying to make OUR lives and gaming easier. Let's have some respect for her enjoyment.

Trish, I would be willing to take over this weekend to give you a break. However there is only one condition. This condition has nothing to do with you either.

Here is my condition.

I will take over as organizer for this Sunday's runs as long as I choose who goes with who. If your picked for a group you go with the group. No crying or complaining. Either you go with the selected group or leave. If you don't like the toon your paired up with. I am sorry. Learn to accept the things you can not change and have fun. The reason for this is so everyone gets to Mingle.

If anyone else cares to do this instead then so be it. These are my terms.

And, Trish, Thanks for working as hard as you have.

[Pinky Thunderpop]

So sorry about the stress to you Trish...I think you do a great job!! Thank you for all you do.

Heather AKA--Pinky Thunderpop and Anita Smirk

[VioletPetalhoper]

I completely agree with Trish. This is supposed to be fun not a streesed out JOB. No one gets paid to organize or any of that. I's not fair to Demand or expect them to make you, me or anyone happy all the time. Trish has always had my upmost respect. (however you spell it) She goes above and beyond the call of duty trying to make OUR lives and gaming easier. Let's have some respect for her enjoyment.

Trish, I would be willing to take over this weekend to give you a break. However there is only one condition. This condition has nothing to do with you either.

Here is my condition.

I will take over as organizer for this Sunday's runs as long as I choose who goes with who. If your picked for a group you go with the group. No crying or complaining. Either you go with the selected group or leave. If you don't like the toon your paired up with. I am sorry. Learn to accept the things you can not change and have fun. The reason for this is so everyone gets to Mingle.

If anyone else cares to do this instead then so be it. These are my terms.

And, Trish, Thanks for working as hard as you have.

I hope no one minds if I say something here as I am still new to everyone and Sunday was the first event that I attended. I don't know anything about the way things were before but I do know how frustrating organizing events can be as I do the same in another online game. People throw complaints at you and everyone wants things their way. Unfortunetely that is not possible, people need to compromise because their is no way you can make everyone happy and continue to enjoy the game yourself. When I read Trish's post, I knew exactly how she felt and I know the job she is doing sometimes seems thankless but there are some people who really do appreciate what shes doing.

The above conditions sound very fair to me and I would follow them if there are to be anymore Sunday events.

[toontownhappy]

I haven't been here very long, just a few months. But I have come to Sunday runs almost every weekend since I started even LURKING around Stratics (which was last April), and almost every run I've been on has been AWESOME.
I can't speak about the toon-to-toon relationships because, frankly, I haven't been here long enough to fully understand the group dynamic of Stratics. I don't organize events, on Stratics or any other site, and I'm not claiming to know what it's like to do so on a weekly, or any other, basis. But I have been playing Toontown since it came out. I think of myself as an old hand of the game, if not of Stratics.
Only recently has there been a rash of bad runs: Ubers and little toons going sad in the VP, disconnections, ditches, whatever. I wasn't involved in the CJ last Sunday, so I can't say what exactly happened. However, from what I've read, it was just a bad run. Period. They happen, folks. I don't know whose fault it was. But level 7s aren't that hard to get back.
In my experience with Stratics, going sad in a Stratics run is practically unheard of. So lately there have been some failed boss fights. I think TTStratics is just going through a bit of a rough patch. We'll get over it.
I'm not saying anything ya'll don't know already. I am just reiterating.

Now as to future runs...I don't think pre-set groups will work out for everyone. What happens if, by sheer bad luck, half of one group can't come? Then those toons get stuck. Everyone else will already be in a group, and, understandably, might not want to mess up the group they're in by helping the shorthanded group. Which makes the people in BOTH groups upset, which causes more complaints and more problems.
I think the VP should stay as is: Four toons from each side on an elevator.
As for the CFO, I agree with Trish: Load four from the craners's side and four from the stompers's, in order of appearance.
CJ: I also think it would be good to have four experienced and four less experienced toons on a run. That way the less experienced can learn and improve, and also have a good chance of winning, while the experienced help. I also agree that suit size shouldn't be a factor here, for reasons already mentioned.
And whatever ends up happening, I still think Stratics rocks :thumbsup:

[Sheriff Tricky]

I really feel for Trish because I also know what it is like trying to organize this group because when she had to take a long absence because of her job, I took over and would not be adverse to it again. Unfortunately, I have too many other things going on to be able to be totally reliable to at the runs every Sunday.

I love Trish's idea of no real leader except to say that someone says let's go fight the VP to indicate we should leave beanfest. Then we line up on the right and left and do any revenge runs needed after all three bosses are fought.

VP - Maxed Hollywoods (not including ubers) on the left and everyone else on the right

CFO - Craners on the left, gooners on the right

CJ - Experienced on the left, inexperienced on the right

As far as times, I think we should be able to safely say that by 8 p.m. Eastern we are starting to load the VP. If you miss it and there are not enough toons to go into the VP, please be respectful because sometimes we may not have an exact number of people to get everyone in. By 8:40 Eastern, we should be loading the CFO and by 9:15 (depending on how long the runs take) we should be loading the CJ. Does that sound about right?

[Trish]

VP - Maxed Hollywoods (not including ubers) on the left and everyone else on the right I still think this should be the way we have it now (hollies with maxed gags on left, everyone else on right including ubers). The real battle in the VP is the cogs. The VP himself is easy.

CFO - Craners on the left, gooners on the right

CJ - Experienced on the left, inexperienced on the right

As far as times, I think we should be able to safely say that by 8 p.m. Eastern we are starting to load the VP. If you miss it and there are not enough toons to go into the VP, please be respectful because sometimes we may not have an exact number of people to get everyone in. By 8:40 Eastern, we should be loading the CFO and by 9:15 (depending on how long the runs take) we should be loading the CJ. Does that sound about right?
If the time changes, i can't come anymore.

[Elga]

Well we always started to load VP at 7:30pm and went from there. The rest just fell where they fell when the VP groups were done. I'd say 8:15pm for CFO and 8:45pm for CJ. These are of course approx. and if you want to join only in a certain run, you should arrive early to be sure you can load.

[Sheriff Tricky]

Ok so I got my times really wrong. Beanfest 7 pm Eastern, VP 7:30, CFO 815, and CJ at 9. Those will be the times we load.

[ZippyW]

Also speaking as a fresh perspective, and as someone who generally avoids going in cliques or groups, is all of that really worth it? Just for an assured win? I don't see why it has to be so complicated. So-and-so's on the left, so-and-so's on the right, leave at this time, and that's it. No special deals made. First ones there start the lines, newest at the end of the line, and whoever is in charge pulls from the beginning of the line until you run out of people. If you want special deals, don't want to go with smaller toons, and your sole purpose for going is to win, why are you even there when you know the rules, and they are simple and easy to understand? If you have those kind of qualifications to playing, get your own group together!

And I do think a big part of the problem is that everyone wants only a win, an easy one, with a loss when you are with STRATICS being unheard of (I think I read that in one post). When you play a game of checkers is a loss unheard of? Or a card game? Big deal! Use some of your thousands of JBs and buy more gags and go again! First and foremost this is a game, you win some, you lose some, and you aren't supposed to be taking it so seriously or stressing out over it.

[Steveo]

When you play TT it should be fun no matter who you go with. I have requested a few times to go in with a few toons and I realize that I should just go witht he flow. If I go in with toons I do not know then its not a big deal at all. Most of everyone on stratics I know. It does get very frustrating when you are grouping people and have your count then poof someone shows up with a friend. So then its back to the drawing board. I have to say when some people request what their conditions are then thats just wrong. I know that I would not want to group people that always wanted to go with big wigs or only with certain toons. I know most of the time people wants a challenge but I dont think sunday runs are for that. Sunday runs are for smaller toons to build up their suits and not worrying about getting shuffled in the elevator. Some Sunday's are hard for me to come to beacause in our house that is when we spend time with our family. If I could I would be on all the time. I just have to get on when I have the chance. I just think if only 4 smaller toons load in the Vp and the rest HW with maxed gags get on the everything will be fine. Its sometimes just the smaller toons just jump on. In the CFO I still like it how Trish groups everyone. It would make it a lot easier if everyone stands still and get on the side you choose. I also think that if trish is done counting then and people show up 15 min late then you risk not going and holding the peeple back that dont have a lot of time and are ready to go. So I know I did not use good grammer skills but I am at work and typing fast but I am sure Sgt will find my mistakes. :lick: Lets just show up on time and have fun. No matter who we go with or even if we dont get along with this person. We are a group that tries to help people make progress in TT. Also not pretaining to sunday but if your friends ask you to help witha mint, factory, DA, or CGC and you already have your notices then be kind and help out. I know I am guilty of trying to build up my own suit but still i need to take time and help my fellow toons in trying to build theirs up as well. Just someday when you need help you might not have friends to call upon. Okay I will shut up now. Thanks Trish for the hardwork you do and I dont mind filling in for you if you need me too.

[Kippy]

Also speaking as a fresh perspective, and as someone who generally avoids going in cliques or groups, is all of that really worth it? Just for an assured win? I don't see why it has to be so complicated.

Cuz if it wasn't, we might as well go in NR with anybody

So-and-so's on the left, so-and-so's on the right,

That's called organization

First ones there start the lines, newest at the end of the line, and whoever is in charge pulls from the beginning of the line until you run out of people.

So all the little unexperienced will be left behind?

don't want to go with smaller toons, and your sole purpose for going is to win, why are you even there when you know the rules

Are you sure you know the rules?
If you think that this is what we preach at Stratics, you're in the wrong place. Stratics is the only group that is based on friendship, trust and teamwork!

And I do think a big part of the problem is that everyone wants only a win, an easy one, with a loss when you are with STRATICS being unheard of (I think I read that in one post). When you play a game of checkers is a loss unheard of? Or a card game? Big deal! Use some of your thousands of JBs and buy more gags and go again! First and foremost this is a game, you win some, you lose some, and you aren't supposed to be taking it so seriously or stressing out over it.

We do try to make it an easy win, FOR EVERYONE! That is what Trish has been doing for years, divide the groups so equaly experienced and less experienced toons can go together and win!
No matter who you are, no one likes to lose or die when it could of been prevented.
What would happen if she didn't do that?
Can you imagine going in CFO with 1 craner and 7 gooners?
How can a win be possible that way?
We do need organisation and yes it is stressful,
Trish has had her share of that!

For those of us who have been here forever, know what Trish has put into this and we appreciate her and all that she has done for us.

On a good note,

Trish, you have done a wonderful job for the last 2 years, if you need a break, be my guest girl! We will be waiting for you to come back stronger :)
Love ya! you are the best! :coco: I mean ;)

[Trish]

you are the best! :coco: I mean ;):lick:

Nah what I'm really saying is I want to do what I said i wanted to do. I want us to self-police, even in teh CFO. I want less time standing around while I attempt to count people who won't stand still or tele to their friends constantly. I want to end the whispers "Hurry up!" "What's up?" "Shall we go?". I want this to be FUN. Fun for me, fun for the people who are sick of waiting, fun fun fun fun fun. So let's have fun! And if we need some revenge afterward, so be it.

[Little Sadie]

[QUOTE=Ugly Wrinkleflip;813245]I completely agree with Trish. This is supposed to be fun not a streesed out JOB. No one gets paid to organize or any of that. I's not fair to Demand or expect them to make you, me or anyone happy all the time. Trish has always had my upmost respect. (however you spell it) She goes above and beyond the call of duty trying to make OUR lives and gaming easier. Let's have some respect for her enjoyment.

Trish, I would be willing to take over this weekend to give you a break. However there is only one condition. This condition has nothing to do with you either.

Here is my condition.

I will take over as organizer for this Sunday's runs as long as I choose who goes with who. If your picked for a group you go with the group. No crying or complaining. Either you go with the selected group or leave. If you don't like the toon your paired up with. I am sorry. Learn to accept the things you can not change and have fun. The reason for this is so everyone gets to Mingle.

If anyone else cares to do this instead then so be it. These are my terms.

And, Trish, Thanks for working as hard as you have.[/QUOTE

Actually Joe I think it would be better doing the self policing and loading like Trish has said. I think the problems is assigning groups since it has gotten so large. Load and go! I end up not staying for the cjs because it takes too long to get to it! I hate the waiting around while groups are made because there are so many people now. I can't imagine how Trish puts up with grouping every week. I think it would go much faster if we just did what was suggested. And if a group doesn't win, learn from it.

[ZippyW]

Kippy, I would take the time to explain my post to you line by line in simpler terms, but I think you are one of those that I was referring to that takes it all EXTREMELY seriously, and it's really not worth my effort. I don't know if you are a child or not, but if you are, you could get a parent to go through it with you. If you aren't a child... then grow up already. I never said anything at all about leaving smaller toons behind or not being organized. Get a grip. IT'S A GAME.

[Sheriff Tricky]

Kippy, I would take the time to explain my post to you line by line in simpler terms, but I think you are one of those that I was referring to that takes it all EXTREMELY seriously, and it's really not worth my effort. I don't know if you are a child or not, but if you are, you could get a parent to go through it with you. If you aren't a child... then grow up already. I never said anything at all about leaving smaller toons behind or not being organized. Get a grip. IT'S A GAME.

Okay first off, Kippy is very much an adult. As I speak to this person on teamspeak every night and she is one of my best friends in this game...this needs to be said.

When Stratics first started as a portal site Zippy, this site was all about helping each other out and being friends. I can tell you that when the site was Trish, Hile, Sarafunnyweather, NikiKing, me, Kippy, Susan, and a few other adults who started this out...we were all friends back then and all friends to this day. For those of us still playing the game, and even the ones that no longer play the game and still post, are only trying to help everyone who is new to the site. Now that the site has grown to the size it has, we are experiencing far TOO MANY problems amongst the group. Almost after every Sunday night run now, we have a post that somone complains about the way things are because they went sad. Do I or anyone else enjoy going sad? Absolutely not! There are a few of us that pride ourselves on our teamwork and working hard to make sure that when we go in 8, we come out 8. So do some of us take this seriously as you say Kippy does, absolutely! We care about the success of the players on this site and honestly are getting fet up of the double standards some people have when they say it is only a game when one person posts saying they are mad they went sad but when they are the ones to go sad, are the first ones to complain about it. So before you go accussing someone of something make sure you understand why people make the posts they make.

The point that was trying to be made was the fact that this site used to be about being friends and having fun, which it seems that there are people who seem to assume that we guarantee wins - which we strive for but we all know TT and that can't always happen. So before we go personally attacking anyone lets make sure that everyone understands what the people who have been with this site for over two years are trying to defend. The fact that this site is about making great friends and having fun, whether we win or lose!:next:

[Trish]

Look, everyone take a deep breath. This started because Kippy misunderstood something Zippy said. Let's not get the fighting started back up because of that, ok?

We are not what we once were, and that's OK! But on the same token, we have to adjust how we do things now. and that's OK too! That is what this is about. When the VP was two groups and some people wanted to go together, no problem. Now, we've had up to 7 VPs on Sunday. That's 50some people!

[NikiKing]

I believe the events pre date Stratics. It started as an easy way to share beans with people who couldnt get into the busy district due to lag issues. Some of you may remember that before NR became the invasion district there used to be a massive beanfest, I believe in Kooky. Those were so much fun, if you could handle the lag!

Then it grew to some friends asking for help with various boss fights and as long as we were all together we went ahead and did that too. Believe it or not there was a time when we didnt get 8 to VP. By the time Law came out we had a pretty good system going. But often times we didnt have 8 for the CJ. We actually considered it a challenge to go anyway! Naturally there was less fighting in those days because if only 6 toons were there, there was no whispers of "I dont wanna go with him/her".

I cant tell you how happy it makes me to see the site has grown to such a volume that we are even having this discussion. Yet it makes me incredibly sad that the reason we are having this discussion is that some players are so selfish that they have made Trish feel that its a job not a fun evening. I'm surprised shes still doing it this long, I have to tell you I would not be.

I would like to see someone else take up the task, but its a thankless job. I would like to be able to say it could be done without a group leader, but hopefully the site will continue to grow and new posters/lurkers will not know how it used to be done and we will get even more "I hate this or that" posts. This does not lead to building the community, which is of course our main goal.

Lets think on the original purpose of the event. To help players learn to defeat the bosses and hopefully get at least one successful run for the week. It was never about a guaranteed win. The primary goal was to help them learn by helping them win without the hassle of elevator shuffleing as is often the case on random runs.

Things that must be done for the events to continue successfully:

No baby toons left behind.
No elevator shuffeling.
No bailing on the run for any reason. (disconnects of course not included)
No being picky about who gets on the elevator with you.
All participants must be on time. The event will continue without you.
No teams of all friends, this kind of run can be done anytime and stratics need not be a part of it on event day.

The participants should meet at the elevator, big suits on one side small on the other. The team leader should do no more then make sure that each elevator is filled with 4 big 4 small for VP. For CFO the craners on one side stompers on the other, the team lead only makes sure that each elevator has 4 of each. Please remember that if you stand on the stomper side you do not get to crane on that run. This follows thru to the CJ, stunners vs scalers. I didnt do enough CEO runs to determine the best split for this, if it should be squirters vs clubbers or small to large suit mix.

I would like to see a big toon "adopt" a small toon. This should be a SF thing. The job of the big toon is to teach the small toon what they need to do to win. Such as throwing pies or teaching someone how to crane and of course doing the math of defeating a cog. It can be very scary the first time. The small toon should carefully follow the directive of their helper toon and remember that this is not necessarily an ongoing thing. Like this person is not their personal helper for all eternity.

I would like to see the fun put back in event day. Its not a job its an adventure. Sometimes there wont be a win. Sometimes people make mistakes. It happens. Blow it off, go on a revenge run and at some point you will dance.

Most of you know that I dont play anymore, but I am a veteran player with a 130 laff toon and one of the founding members of the event. I hope we can find a solution to the issues at hand so that everyone has a chance to dance.

[Kippy]

AMEN to that!!!

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

I would be happy to help with coordinating the runs if this is the way things were set up.

If no one cried or complained cause their secret friend didn't go with them.

If people showed up and stood still long enough to start sending groups.

I can't promise I could do it every weekend like Trish did. But I will be happy to offer my help on a more regular basis.

As far as the CFO and CJ loading. I would start sending people as they show up. Once there is 4 craners and 4 stompers they will be set as a group and sent. Same thing for CJ. As people show up they will be grouped together starting with less experienced toons and finish the group with more experienced toons.


I do agree there has to be some control over it though. Because otherwise there will be toons that don't always get the chance. Not because there are mean toons on Stratics but because there are groups of friends that will try and stick together.

I just hope that we can all just enjoy ToonTown and have fun learning and teaching eathother more ways to enjoy the game.

[SSniffleslam]

My "mom" toon went on a few of those runs pre-stratics (in the McBurp clan days)....I can't remember who my friend was that invited me to come along, but oh well, and it was fun then, and it's still fun now (for me anyways)...Everyone was always nice to me and we all worked together and I thought it was great that we could go on a run without all of the shuffling and nonsense you find in busy districts. Of course these were pre-CJ days, and there was only one group, but hey, times change, and I think it's great that this has grown so much. I have lots of lurve for you all of you guys and gals, and I'll be happy to cooperate in any way needed. Isn't that what it's all about, cooperation and working together to achieve common goals??? Alrighty, my spiel is over...have a good un!!

[Trish]

I can't promise I could do it every weekend like Trish did. But I will be happy to offer my help on a more regular basis. And this is why we should be leaderless. I have no life (it's true), and to find someone who has equally no life would be tricky. lol Joking aside, my point wasn't to find a replacement for myself, it was that things had to change. Changing leaders won't fix anything. And it sounds like the majority are agreeing.

As far as the CFO and CJ loading. I would start sending people as they show up. Once there is 4 craners and 4 stompers they will be set as a group and sent. Same thing for CJ. As people show up they will be grouped together starting with less experienced toons and finish the group with more experienced toons.I disagree for many reasons. One, this basically means the toons I VP'd with I'll be CFOing with too. And we wanna keep it mixed up. Two, you don't know that there will be enough for that last load if it's done that way.

[Holocog]

Another bad idea but-
How about we could pick out own groups! One person could try to get 8 people(4 from one side, 4 from another) and they could get the OK from trish and go? :danceb:

[Trish]

Sounds like even more work to me. I'm going for lesssssssss work here.

[Little Sadie]

And this is why we should be leaderless. I have no life (it's true), and to find someone who has equally no life would be tricky. lol Joking aside, my point wasn't to find a replacement for myself, it was that things had to change. Changing leaders won't fix anything. And it sounds like the majority are agreeing.

I disagree for many reasons. One, this basically means the toons I VP'd with I'll be CFOing with too. And we wanna keep it mixed up. Two, you don't know that there will be enough for that last load if it's done that way.

I agree with you Trish. I also don't want another leader. You do just fine. We just need to work out the kinks of the ever growing board. Personally I like the self policing and everything else we have done so far. Is it perfect? No, but nothing is. If it goes well then I think that will be less headaches for you. I also don't want to be told what group I have to go with or else. This group if for all of us. If I am ever told I must go somewhere or leave, that will be the last time. While I will go in with anyone, and do, I certainly don't need the attitude of the "or leave". We aren't kids for the most part! Hopefully it will all work out but I do hope it is you that does the leading.

[princess kitty]

Are we still accepting predetermined groups for maxing on Sundays?

*fingers crossed* that LD can max sell this Sunday. It's another 3-day weekend and I'm sure Gabby (my daughter and LD's real owner) will love doing it.

Or are we taking away maxing on the Sunday runs? In which case, with or without leader, I will be quietly standing on the left for VP and CFO and on the right for CJ. No crying and no complaining. I didn't even know we could do that, :lol: I'm surprised to read that there are some that do/did.

[Little Sadie]

I completely agree with Trish. This is supposed to be fun not a streesed out JOB. No one gets paid to organize or any of that. I's not fair to Demand or expect them to make you, me or anyone happy all the time. Trish has always had my upmost respect. (however you spell it) She goes above and beyond the call of duty trying to make OUR lives and gaming easier. Let's have some respect for her enjoyment.

Trish, I would be willing to take over this weekend to give you a break. However there is only one condition. This condition has nothing to do with you either.

Here is my condition.

I will take over as organizer for this Sunday's runs as long as I choose who goes with who. If your picked for a group you go with the group. No crying or complaining. Either you go with the selected group or leave. If you don't like the toon your paired up with. I am sorry. Learn to accept the things you can not change and have fun. The reason for this is so everyone gets to Mingle.

If anyone else cares to do this instead then so be it. These are my terms.

And, Trish, Thanks for working as hard as you have.

Honestly Joe, I like Trish doing the Sunday runs and think she does a heck of a job considering all the attitudes and problems that come up. If we do the self policing as was talked about the other day I think that will be easier for her. I don't think anyone has the right to demand someone listen to them or leave. I have never balked about who I am grouped with and have only requested be in a certain group once for a certain reason. I go in with anyone! I just don't see the need for the "or leave" part. We are all part of the group, not just a few, and therefore have the same rights as anyone else to be there. Just my opinion of course!

[Little Sadie]

Are we still accepting predetermined groups for maxing on Sundays?

*fingers crossed* that LD can max sell this Sunday. It's another 3-day weekend and I'm sure Gabby (my daughter and LD's real owner) will love doing it.

Or are we taking away maxing on the Sunday runs? In which case, with or without leader, I will be quietly standing on the left for VP and CFO and on the right for CJ. No crying and no complaining. I didn't even know we could do that, :lol: I'm surprised to read that there are some that do/did.

I would hope the Sunday maxing stays. It is a Stratics tradition and shouldn't be stopped. WTG on your future maxing!!!

[Trish]

I would hope the Sunday maxing stays. It is a Stratics tradition and shouldn't be stopped. WTG on your future maxing!!!I would agree. Though, as is "tradition", it should be planned in advance here so everyone knows.

[Little Sadie]

I would agree. Though, as is "tradition", it should be planned in advance here so everyone knows.

I agree. Perhaps a heads up on the board of the day of or something.

[Steveo]

I agree with Terri. I think the maxing should stay the same. Where the person that is maxing should post who they would like to go with. Trish does great. I filled in for her one time so she can bring her bear and that was a struggle. So lets just go and have fun and dont worry about who we go with. If someone choses a bad gag then oh well lets use tu and try again. So let just go with the flow and I like the idea of trish being our leader but she should not have to work hard to make everyone happy. She does not even get paid.

[Trish]

She does not even get paid.Now if y'all wanna start paying me, that changes the story a bit :lick: I may just be willing to deal with everything I've dealt with in the past... for the right price. Unfortunately that price would probably be more per month than you pay for Toontown. :thumbsup: Edit! And when I say you, I mean ALL of you. hehehe

[princess kitty]

I would agree. Though, as is "tradition", it should be planned in advance here so everyone knows.

Will do. Still a long way to go but Gabby has been playing after she gets her homework done. Then I or my husband take over after she has gone to bed. I'll post as soon as LD hits MH49.


So lets just go and have fun and dont worry about who we go with. If someone choses a bad gag then oh well lets use tu and try again. So let just go with the flow and I like the idea of trish being our leader but she should not have to work hard to make everyone happy. She does not even get paid.

Hear, hear! :thumbsup:

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

For the record. I was not trying to take Trish's place, nor start wars or get the fires burning. I was only offering assistance if she wanted a break. I also offered a few ideas good, bad and otherwise. Some were put out there with the sole intent of getting everyone fired up about making this more fun. I don't agree with EVERYTHING I posted. But I do agree that Stratics has been a wealth of knowledge. It has helped me get better at playing TT and I have made some awesome friends. The thing I have noticed just like everyone else is the events have become work. Not only for trish but for the toons actually playing. we have taking a simple pedicure check-up and turned it into a full on BUSH administration war on terror.

I want to see this get back to fun. Where toons all enjoy battling the cogs, killing bosses and having fun.

Let's get beyond the he did she did and back to a WE DID.

Teamwork is the reason this group has grown. Everyone wants to be part of the team. I open my arms and welcome them.

It's time to move forward.

Today is a new day. Yesterday is gone. Let it stay that way. It's not like you die and have to start a toon all over again from the beginning.

[ZippyW]

We would only have to pay you in jelly beans, right Trish? I will throw you 350 beans each time I go on a run. :D And LOL Ugly Wrinkleflip on the war comment. But for goodness sake, don't bring up religion and/or politics!!! B-day cake versus T-storm is bad enough!

[Kippy]

I'd be happy to give you 350 beans too :lick:

[Trish]

Well Suga Mama, I would expect nothing less from you. :p

If only I could pay therapy bills with jellybeans.... ;)

[princess kitty]

Well Suga Mama, I would expect nothing less from you. :p

If only I could pay therapy bills with jellybeans.... ;)

You need to introduce the therapist to toontown and make sure addiction sets in. :lick: Then we'll be all set and paying your jb professional fees as TT events organizer.